Was Jesus a real person?

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  1. magnifier661

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    Don't back peddle. Your major argument is how idiotic it is without physical proof, then use it to prove your idea. For every 100,000 PhDs that believe in evolution, there are millions of creationists that believe in god. Shoe me proof or don't make claim. Isn't that the jest of your arguments?
     
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    See evolution is the god of atheists. If ou don't believe in god, then you must believe that we were created in a natural process. So because most atheists have a scientific or "mathematical" background, it must be proven in order to work. And this is their two edged sword. They must have proof god exists yet they are willing to believe in a theory of evolution without any physical proof. Their faith is in evolution, their God is evolution.
     
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    there is a mountain of physical proof, proof beyond any reasonable doubt. read the links.

    why do you find evoution so threatening anyway? although it is easier to fit with atheism, it's by no means specifically an atheist belief. almost 1/2 the christians in the USA believe in it. the pope has even endorsed it more or less.
     
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    that's a pretty funny statement - exactly like something lewis black would say. i think you really are an undercover atheist comedian.
     
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    Another generalization again. I don't answer to the pope. I am not Catholic. I am just like you man... Why do you believe in that Evolution Religion? It's dangerous to believe in blind FAITH.

    And I have read the links and still found no physical proof BTW.
     
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    I don't believe in religion. I just believe in Jesus and God.
     
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    no but you are treating theism and belief in evolution as mutually exclusive for some reason.

    you apparently believe in a literal interpretation of genesis. you may not believe in the necessity of church or whatever, but you are overtly a religious fundamentalist by definition.
     
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    Perhaps you can explain
    (a) the distinction and
    (b) how you came to be omniscient.
     
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    That reminds me of somebody I knew who told a story about a clergyman who was asked if he believed in infant baptism and he said "Believe in it? Hell, I've seen it."

    From your distinction above, I take it you think they're two different, um, people?
     
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    Well I just wanted to point out there is god the father and god the son
     
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    Why wouldn't I? If the genesis of evolution is connected to scientific faith. It's at the same theoretical idealism as creationism.

    Yes you are correct. But telling me the pope agrees doesn't mean much to me.
     
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    If you don't even know the difference between micro evolution and macro evolution then why do you believe in evolution at all? And sorry, I should have said that not a single shred of evidence for macro evolution has been discovered.
     
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    nonsensical comparison. whether you accept the evidence or not, the scientific view of evolution is based entirely on evidence. if evidence were found tomorrow refuting evolution science would change its views to accommodate it. if evidence that god exists were found tomorrow science would change to accommodate that also.

    your "idealism" on the other hand is not evidence based in any way and does not allow you to change your mind on anything.

    maybe not, but you should be aware that other people who believe in the same jesus and god as you with the same amount of faith as you feel there's no reason not to think that god meant genesis to be allegorical. accepting scientific consensus on biology and geology doesn't have to be a deal breaker to your faith.
     
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    He is a real person. He was my waiter the other night.
     
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    I think people look at things like this:

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    And assume this is the jest of "Evolution"; yet not a single shred of fossils, or other remains show a connection of single cell organisms, that evolved to macro organisms, then evolve to a prehistoric mammal, then evolve to a hyracotherium. This is the missing link. This is why evolution is just as much "faith driven" as Christianity.

    Many Atheists say "It's just logical that supernatural creation doesn't exist". Yet these same Atheists know they need evolution to support their logic it doesn't exist. So they theorize what they think is logic; without any physical proof that it ever took place and call it God.
     
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    macro is just a summation of micro evolutionary changes over long periods of time, but they both refer to the same type of changes. creationists like to imply that they are difference processes or different claims about what is going on, but that is false. just more misrepresentative propaganda.
     
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    Total bullshit... Just because a scientist or groups of scientist "logically" make up a scenario of creation it must happen. Talk about a hypocritical generalization. Science is based on facts. Facts would be digging up an ameba fossil, then finding another that has legs, then another having lungs, then another with hair, then another a form of a horse, to the existing horse.

    Just because certain species micro evolve, doesn't mean the "Creation evolution" exists. It just means our normal body adapts. Until there is physical proof of the major physical evolution that is preached in science books is found; it's as Theological as Creation.

    Oh so when an evolutionist believes there is a higher power to organize evolution; then you are going to agree too?
     
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    Huh really? Please show me a medical, scientific or archeological journal that has any species "missing link"? I mean if it's so easy to understand and the norm, then why haven't any discoveries of these links been published? I'm still searching for them.

    I am going to use one of your arguments from another thread... "Yeah I know, my father is an Scientist"
     
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    were you singing surfin' bird at the restaurant by any chance?
     
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    Fair enough, how about this one (from a professor of Folklore at Berkeley):

    [video=youtube;v0Zxee3yWI4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Zxee3yWI4&feature=related[/video]

    More:

    [video=youtube;kUBqgucLXzk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=kUBqgucLXzk[/video]

    More:

    [video=youtube;xAPIngDjJVo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAPIngDjJVo[/video]
     
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