Seems a little fuzzy on those Golden Tabernacles found in the Americas. Seems like the LDS are doing more "but, but, but" than "Here is the proof"
But religious charlatans are usually careful to make non-falsifiable claims. Smith THOUGHT he was making a non-falsifiable claim, because he didn't know that people would shortly discover a way to translate Ancient Egyptian. But, of course, falsifying a claim is never enough, because people don't believe in religions for rational reasons. I bet even Harold Camping still has followers.
This is printed on some Christian site, but the important thing is, it's Twain's words: Mark Twain on the Book of Mormon.
Umm no, actually it doesn't. For one, you've completely ignored the alternative explanations offered in what was not exactly an unbiased Wikipedia article (although there was an attempt to at least make it look like an unbiased presentation). Two, there have been many times people have claimed Joseph Smith got things wrong only to later be proven wrong themselves. Three, I don't see the connection between the Book of Abraham in the pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon. They are distinct books of scripture. Or are you insinuating that since Joseph "made up" the Book of Abraham that he made up the Book of Mormon too?
So Mark Twain thought it sounded an awful lot like the Bible. Sounds like it contains exactly what Joseph Smith and every other person claims it contains -- another testament of Jesus Christ. At least Mark Twain could see what most other Christians fail to acknowledge - that the Book of Mormon is pretty similar to the Bible. I can understand why he didn't think it was a literary masterpiece though, most history books aren't. I wonder if there's a quote from him about the literary virtue of the Bible?
i was just pointing out that stuff dreamt up by superstitious (if sincere) primitive humans with zero scientific knowledge, and stuff dreamt up by a modern charlatan are equally refuted by evidence. 100% false is 100% false. if by bullshit you mean 'was obviously created as a con', then yeah that might differentiate mormonism a bit, although it's a solid theory that a lot of the bible was fabricated or historically embellished by jewish priests, paul, and others who had motivations to be dishonest. presumably sai baba knows he wasn't born of a virgin even though he has a million followers believing it.
Wrong again, Rasta. I guess it's nice when you can pick a choose what you want to attack and believe who and what you want to believe when it's convenient for you and then make blanket statements as though they are universally true. Joseph Smith has made MANY bold claims, easily determined whether they would be true or not, you've just chosen not to look at any of them. Here's a couple for you: The LDS church was founded with just 6 people in 1830. Before his death, Joseph made this statement amidst mob persecution and murder: “The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done” (History of the Church, 4:540). To date, there are only a handful of countries when the LDS church doesn't have missionaries. Pretty ballsy statement by a guy whose congregation only consisted of about 48,000 North Americans at the time he was murdered. There's over 14 million members now. "My name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people” (JS—H 1:33). I don't hear people talk crap about John Calvin, John Wesley, Martin Luther, the Pope or any other religious leader the way they do about Joseph Smith. When did the Civil War begin? 1860. Where did it begin? South Carolina. What happened during the Civil War? I think we all know. So, actually, Joseph Smith made lots of claims that could be easily be disproved, but they've managed to turn out as being true. Anyway, I don't have time to do tit for tat on all this stuff. If anyone has legitimate questions I'm happy to respond to them, but I'm not just going to go back and forth on every little thing someone thinks they've "got" the Mormon church or Joseph Smith on. It's not worth my time since I already know what the response will be when I supply an explanation.
Hey D-Rock, you have at least one brother in the Gospel in here. You've been doing a great job explaining our faith. Even I haven't seen some of this stuff before. Keep up the good work sir.
I would ask anyone who believes the Bible but not the Book of Mormon to explain these last 2 verses from Chapter 21 in the Gospel of John. 24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. Not only does this speak to the Book of Mormon but other records as well. In the Book of Mormon Christ says that he has other people to visit as commanded by the Father. We believe more records are yet to be revealed.
please clear some things up for me jet or drock so earths god is a human from the star system of kolob correct? and there are countless planets being ruled by other gods correct? and jesus is only applicable to earth? because he is the kolob guys son right? and satan was his other son? and kolob god fucked his countless wives in outer space to populate the earth? can women be gods?
I'll answer these with what I know, but not right now. I'm busy at the moment. Honestly, these concepts are talked about WAY more among non-Mormons than Mormons. These are things spoken of a handful of times in the early days of the church and have been used as propaganda against the church as being core tenants of the church when they're mostly just speculation. Like I said, I'll say more when I have some more time.
What the heck is a "god"? Do Mormons really believe they are going to become "gods". I'm aware of one. Isaiah 45 1 “Thus says the LORD to His anointed, To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held— To subdue nations before him And loose the armor of kings, To open before him the double doors, So that the gates will not be shut: 2 ‘ I will go before you And make the crooked places[a] straight; I will break in pieces the gates of bronze And cut the bars of iron. 3 I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden riches of secret places, That you may know that I, the LORD, Who call you by your name, Am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me. 5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting That there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other; 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’ 8 “ Rain down, you heavens, from above, And let the skies pour down righteousness; Let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation, And let righteousness spring up together. I, the LORD, have created it. 9 “ Woe to him who strives with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ Or shall your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’? 10 Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What are you begetting?’ Or to the woman, ‘What have you brought forth?’” 11 Thus says the LORD, The Holy One of Israel, and his Maker: “ Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons; And concerning the work of My hands, you command Me. 12 I have made the earth, And created man on it. I—My hands—stretched out the heavens, And all their host I have commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, And I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city And let My exiles go free, Not for price nor reward,” Says the LORD of hosts. The LORD, the Only Savior 14 Thus says the Lord GOD: “ The labor of Egypt and merchandise of Cush And of the Sabeans, men of stature, Shall come over to you, and they shall be yours; They shall walk behind you, They shall come over in chains; And they shall bow down to you. They will make supplication to you, saying, ‘Surely God is in you, And there is no other; There is no other God.' 15 Truly You are God, who hides Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior! 16 They shall be ashamed And also disgraced, all of them; They shall go in confusion together, Who are makers of idols. 17 But Israel shall be saved by the LORD With an everlasting salvation; You shall not be ashamed or disgraced Forever and ever. 18 For thus says the LORD, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “ I am the LORD, and there is no other. 19 I have not spoken in secret, In a dark place of the earth; I did not say to the seed of Jacob, ‘ Seek Me in vain’; I, the LORD, speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20 “ Assemble yourselves and come; Draw near together, You who have escaped from the nations. They have no knowledge, Who carry the wood of their carved image, And pray to a god that cannot save. 21 Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. 22 “ Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. 23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. 24 He shall say, ‘ Surely in the LORD I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, And all shall be ashamed Who are incensed against Him. 25 In the LORD all the descendants of Israel Shall be justified, and shall glory.’” Isaiah 44:6 There Is No Other God 6 “ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘ I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. Isaiah 46:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV) 9 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ And there's a LOT more where that came from. This goes against everything the Bible teaches.
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the master: His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster. Tom Bombadil The Lord of the Rings
