i don't see you referencing the koran, or the biblical interprations of L Ron Hubbard, Ellen G White etc
A biblical interpretation is not scripture so why would I reference it? As for the Koran I don't know enough about the origins or contents to make a solid judgement. Can you help me out on that or what?
Then again a quick search has revealed that the Quran has quite a bit in common with Christianity and Judaism. I'll have to read it.
My point was to a non-mormon ABM referencing Mark Driscoll is no different than you referencing Joseph Smith.
It is very different actually. Joseph is a prophet called of God to restore the fullness of the gospel and open the last dispensation. I have no problem with the things Mr. Driscoll said with one exception noted above. Very different, doesn't mean Mr. Driscoll cannot teach truth, he's just not a prophet who speaks to the world on behalf of God.
Prove Joseph Smith is a prophet. I'm sure God's priority was to let you know He'll scoot over on the throne and let you become like Him. Satan got kicked out of heaven because he wanted to be like God, God told Eve she could be like God too. Satan is a liar. A "god" is nothing more than an idol posing as the ONE true God Almighty.
He was called to the work just like Moses was, the Bible speaks of both Joseph and the Book of Mormon. The priesthood keys were all restored to him, the prophet holds all of the keys of the priesthood on the earth in his time. Also your concept of becoming Gods is a bit flawed because God will always be our Father, that will not change. What it equates to is a Father seeing his son become a father, having a family of his own to lead. That is what it's like, God wants us to have everything he has, he wants to see us grow and become like him. Eternal life is the life of a God.
to a non-mormon he's just a man spouting opinions. the fact that he claimed to be a prophet is irrelevant to a non-mormon. you seem to think it should be relevant for some reason.
according to him and only him. Where? I've been studying the Bible for years and I've never seen anything that foreshadows the coming of Joseph Smith or a prophet arising after Jesus Christ. I do, however, read about evil spirits coming in the latter days deceiving many and twisting the Gospel of the Lord Jesus. Jesus is our priest, not Smith. God wants us to be happy, but he doesn't want us to be "like Him" and have "everything He has". That's flawed thinking and twisting scriptures. The grace of Jesus Christ is what gives us eternal life, we don't have to become a "god" to attain this. There is one God, now and forever.
He is a prophet whether you recognize him as such or not. God has always given his word through prophets, He holds all who hear his words accountable. You don't tell God who his prophets are. BTW MST3k might just be the greatest thing to ever grace a tv screen.
Sorry dude but there are millions of us who have never met Joseph Smith and we know he was a prophet, forget about all those who knew and served with him who testified of that. Do you believe the Holy Ghost can reveal truth? If Joseph was not a prophet then what of the priesthood of the old testament? Where did it go? You have no reason to dispute Joseph as a prophet, he only makes the case for Christ that much stronger. Do you believe that the Holy Ghost could tell you whether he is or isn't?
"He's a prophet because I say so" is not a convincing argument. Thousands of people throughout history have claimed to be prophets, Joseph Smith is no different. The book of Mormon has no historical, archaeological, or geographical confirmation for anything written in it. You believe what Joseph Smith claimed and wrote alone. And there are billions upon billions of people today and throughout history who know God is One and understand the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. I know the Holy Spirit can reveal truth, He is God. The Holy Spirit however says nothing about Smith or him revealing the truth to humanity. He doesn't make the case for Christ stronger either, he skews it. Muslims also make claims about Jesus, does that mean they are strengthening the case for Jesus too? Was Muhammad a true prophet? What gives Joseph Smith more credibility than him?
If you truly study the bible you will see that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints bears the closest resemblance to the Church of old. Tithing, 12 Apostles, Baptism for the Dead, a Prophet, Temples, Quorum of the Seventies etc. This is not a new Church but a restored Church under the direction of Christ through his Prophet just like in the bible. John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. Does that sound like an end to the words of God?
but someone who doesn't recognize him as a prophet isn't going to give any weight to his opinion on polygamy. not sure why you think they should.
Please point the verses out where this is true, I have studied the Bible cover to cover and nothing has led me to believe Mormonism is anything but a cult. And this is supposed to mean what exactly? That we will become "gods"? Sounds like it's affirming there is only one God to me. Jesus is an eternal being, He is God. If we were to write everything He's done the whole universe couldn't fit the books written about Him. It doesn't mean that there are pieces of the Gospel missing from the Bible that a sole prophet will reveal to less than 1% of the world in the latter days. No, that sounds like the end of the Gospel of John, an end you don't seem have much understanding of. There are over 20 books explaining the nature of God and salvation after the book of John.
Notice how it says "many things that Jesus did", it doesn't say and Paul wrote a bunch of epistles as did John and Peter. It says many things that Jesus did, he was long gone when this was written was he not? Everything after the gospels is the continued teaching of the Apostles, Jesus was no longer among them. How can a book that testifies of Christ be wrong? The Book of Mormon testifies of the truth of the Bible, they can either both be true or both be false.
So because it testifies of Jesus that automatically makes it the Word of God and the true Gospel, even though it contradicts the Bible in numerous areas? What if I sat down and wrote a book tonight and claimed it to be the third and final testament of Jesus Christ? And that it testifies of Jesus so it can’t be wrong! Point is there is no reason whatsoever to believe what the book of Mormon says. The Bible in its entirety was written by 44 different authors over some 1,600 years on three different continents and in three different languages, yet it has withstood the test of time and challenges of nonbelievers. It is flawless in the message it delivers and reading it as a whole you would swear it were done by one author (hmmmm…). Not to mention it’s actually backed by history, archaeology , geology etc etc… no other holy book in the history of the world can come close to saying the same. Not the Qur’an, Mormon book, or any other so-called holy book that was written by one author in a matter of a few years.
OdenRoyLMA2 throwin' DOOOOOOOWN! But yeah JET, I respect people's ability to believe what they want, but you are not convincing by any means. And honestly it sounds like your trying to bend Scripture and Jesus to suit your doctrine rather than making your doctrine around the Scripture and Jesus.
