<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 14 2006, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He has tons of potential, and he will become a great player for the Grizzlies.</div>potential in the dictionary reads: Capable of being but not yet in existence; latent: a potential problem.he MIGHT BE GOOD. hell. anyone in the draft MIGHT BE GOOD. don't get me wrong i'm not saying that he's a piece of crap or anything, he's good. but the rockets got what they wanted w/ battier, they don't want to work another youngun on their team especially when they're ready to win now instead of later.
Yes, but now the rockets lose out on the potential best player in the draft, and a young superstar. The Rockets could have been so much better later on if they kept him. And if you dont see that, you're just ignorant.
The point is Shane is a proven player, plays defense and will fit nicely into the Houston system. Houston is looking to win right now with broke back mountain and Yao so they traded for Shane, all there missing now is a replacement at PF for Howard. Rudy is basically potential right now, he hasn't proven anything at all in the NBA level yet.
yes, that trade was a dumb move by houston. it's not like they have a short timetable to work with. McGrady is what, 27? and Yao is pretty young. They could've easily waited for Gay's development, and they could've been an elite team when that happened. They also gave away Swift, and now they have a paper-thin front court. There is no back-up for Juwan Howard, and Yao's back-up could be 50 for all we know. That's just a disaster waiting to happen.
Yeah, they have no depth at PF now. Juwan Howard really cant do sh*t anymore, and that will be a major weakness for them. They need to sign a backup atleast for next year..
I didn't like the move for Houston, but people need to stop acting as if Gay will be an All Star. When I saw him play, I was not that impressed. He is a solid, efficient player, but nothing that merits the hype he's getting for some reason
I can expect him to be something like Ricky Davis, without the baggage. Even with that, he'll be more than a solid player, good for 16-20 ppg for a long time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Jul 14 2006, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't like the move for Houston, but people need to stop acting as if Gay will be an All Star. When I saw him play, I was not that impressed. He is a solid, efficient player, but nothing that merits the hype he's getting for some reason</div>The guy is so talented, I think he can definately be an all star and a superstar. He is so athletic and strong. He can get inside easily and throw down a slam. His shot is also improving, and he is a great defensive player who can stay on his man with his long wingspan and quickness. He is also a good rebounder, passer and stealer. He gets it all done, and he is a huge talent. The Rockets missed out on him, and they will regret it down the road..
i'm pretty sure when houston traded away swift they were looking to acquire a PF in the offseason as well. they're not dumb they can see that juwan howard is a pos.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Houston is looking to win right now with broke back mountain and Yao so they traded for Shane, all there missing now is a replacement at PF for Howard.</div>that pretty much sums it up. HAHHA broke back mountain. hahaha
Chris Wilcox and Drew Gooden are both restricted free agents and they're probably going back to their respective teams. Other than that, you have Kieth Van Horn, Melvin Ely, and Reggie Evans. No real good options there..
Drew Gooden would be a good option, but there are alot of teams in the running. They'd have to give a pretty good player to get him.And Wilcox would be a waste in a half-court system. He can't play for a team that doesn't run (see, LA Clippers).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 14 2006, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes, that trade was a dumb move by houston. it's not like they have a short timetable to work with. McGrady is what, 27? and Yao is pretty young. They could've easily waited for Gay's development, and they could've been an elite team when that happened. They also gave away Swift, and now they have a paper-thin front court. There is no back-up for Juwan Howard, and Yao's back-up could be 50 for all we know. That's just a disaster waiting to happen.</div>I don't think it was a completely stupid move by Houston. They adressed one of their needs by getting Battier who is a total team player. Stromile Swift is a semi-bust. He's good, but the hopes were that he would become a premier player in the league. What houston should've done is traded for a true PG. That (and injuries) has been their achilles heel ever since they traded Steve Francis. I hope Houston makes another move to get a PG. Maybe sign Marcus Banks or trade Bob Sura and a lottery-protected 1st round pick for a good point guard. Do something please!!!
if you haven't heard, they are likely parting. They're having trouble negotiating a contract, so likely a S&T will be worked out.
The Rudy Gay move was absolutely retarded by Houston. If they wanted Battier that badly, they could have got him with another offer, but credit Mr. Logo for getting Rudy Gay in a Grizzlies uniform.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 14 2006, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Wilcox would be a waste in a half-court system. He can't play for a team that doesn't run (see, LA Clippers).</div>Then he should come back to DC and play for the Wizards. We're a fast break team. :happy0144:
I thought that the Rockets made a bad move, but if Gay were a guarunteed superstar 7 teams wouldn't have past on him. I was suprized when the wolves passed on him. now we have like 8 guards and one true sf.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 14 2006, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Winners-Raptors. They traded a young player who didnt really fit in anywhere, (especially after drafting Bargnani) for a very good young pg who can move the tempo of our offense and get Bosh the ball. We also got Anthony Parker who is pretty good at everything judging by his statlines, and is probably the best player in Europe, and also John Salmons, who can score off the bench for us. We also trade Matt Bonner, Eric Williams to the Spurs for Rasho. We finally get our Center, and I am very happy with that. Colangelo has been pro-active this off-season and he has done a great job. They also draft a great shooter, who can stretch the defense apart (allowing Bosh to thrive inside easier) and who is also pretty quick and can drive, and set in his turnaround jumper. He wont be great in his 1st year, but then again, neither was Dirk when he came into the League...Bulls-They sign Ben Wallace who is probably the best overall defensive player in basketball, and who can also get you 10-12 rebounds a night. They trade Chandler for another talented guard and a decent post PF. They get some more cap room because of that deal. What more could you ask for? They also draft Thomas, who is quick and has amazing athleticism, defensive talent and overall talent and potential. They also get Thabo Sefalosha, who is a hard worker and a good defender with a pretty good shooting and quite a bit of talent.Hornets-Hornets have acquired some great players this off-season. They signed Peja, who can get them 20 ppg, even though he is a ? because his ppg averages have gone down every year for the past 6 years (unless you count his 30 game year 3 years ago). But he can still score them 18-20 ppg and shoot the ball, which was one of their major weaknesses. They get rid of a player who was feuding with the coach and add a very good rebounder, shot blocker and defender in Tyson Chandler, who is still only 24 or 25..They also drafted Hilton Armstrong, who I think will be a good defensive Center.Blazers-I think they're in the right direction. They drafted 2 very good players in Aldridge and Roy. Aldridge is a pretty good post player, pretty good defender, great shot blocker, great rebounder, who can run the floor, can be quick, and can shoot the jumper. He has the whole package for a PF/C, and I think he will become the best PF in the draft personally. Roy is a good shooter, defender, driver and he can get to the line, and score points. Both are very good players, and both will fill pretty big holes. They also get rid of Theo Ratliff and his contract, and seem to be on the rise with their young guys...Losers-Suns-They lose Tim Thomas, and his replacement is...Eric Piatkowski? Come on..Then they trade away their draft pick. They also couldnt sign Salmons. What a disaster!Sonics-I voted for them for pretty much drafting Saer Sane with the 10th pick. That was a huge reach. He has quite a bit of potential, but he has a LONG, LONG, LONG way to go, and is a huge project at this point. They dont even know how he will turn out, and if I had to pick my future bust of the draft, it would be him for being picked 10th..Knicks-Renaldo Balkman and Mardy Collins. Wow. Way to go Isiaih. These guys wont be sh*t, and didnt you draft Nate Robinson last year as well? Collins will get 0 playing team behind either Marbury and Francis, and Nate. Balkman was no where near 20th on the mock drafts, that one came out of left field. Another disaster waiting to happen is KMart coming to New York. He is another lazy player with a huge contract. Could the Knicks get any stupider?</div>I agree with your winners. Also you can add NJ they got a steal in the draft Williams should be pretty good. Your losers Suns I don't think are a loser. Knicks are deff losers I have no idea what they did in the draft it was awful. Houston I don't think should have traded Rudy Gay like someone else said. I think he can be runner up to Foye in rookie of the year. (Maybe)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>yes, that trade was a dumb move by houston. it's not like they have a short timetable to work with. McGrady is what, 27? and Yao is pretty young. They could've easily waited for Gay's development, and they could've been an elite team when that happened. They also gave away Swift, and now they have a paper-thin front court. There is no back-up for Juwan Howard, and Yao's back-up could be 50 for all we know. That's just a disaster waiting to happen.</div> Tracy McGrady also has a bad back, that won't get better with age. Also, Swift just never got his act together in Houston and they knew he wasn't going to, for such a athletic guy, he has a low basketball IQ. Basically just like Kwame Brown, except Swift is older and still not learning. They got a good guy that allows them to move Tracy to sg and also someone to guard the opposing team's better guard. In addition, Battier spaces the floor with his shooting, good lockeroom guy. Battier right now > Gay's potential. It's a move for now, not in the future. How that plays out, no one knows. Swift was added to make the salary work, you can't trade a draft pick for a contract player. Also, there's no guarantee Swift even goes to the Grizz, he's not happy with being traded there. He could be moved again.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Rudy Gay move was absolutely retarded by Houston. If they wanted Battier that badly, they could have got him with another offer, but credit Mr. Logo for getting Rudy Gay in a Grizzlies uniform.</div> I hate when people say they could have done this or that. You don't know what's going on with the talks, it's obvious Rockets targeted Battier in trade talks. And this is what they had to give up to get him. It's like when Mavs traded Daniels for Croshere and people were saying Daniels could have net more. I'm pretty sure Donnie tried to get more, but that's the best value we could get. He hasn't done a great job in Memphis really, they've won what like 0 games in the playoffs. I'll counter this trade with the contract he gave Brian Cardinal. Average gm so far in Memphis. Gay was like in college like what Gasol is in NBA. A guy with superstar potential, who has yet to show he can dominate when it counts. I know some of you will say the UCONN offense runs like this or Gay is young. But it still shows he's passive to other guys, just like Gasol.
