Regardless of faith: do you believe the bible is the word of god?

Do you even know the mathematical improbability of this taking place with millions of organisms simultaneously evolving like you speak? It is infinite. Even billions of years wouldn't allow this to happen. We are talking "gazillion of years" and even then; it's arguable.

 

i was responding to this statement from odenroywhatever.

that is absolutely positing a conspiracy.

i claim the probability evolution is factual (and the earth is billions of years old) is close enough to 100% to be effectively 100% because i'm intimately familiar with the evidence from years of studying it.

when i point out scientific consensus it's because you don't seem aware of the gravity of what that means. if there was ANY significant chance evolution wasn't true and the earth wasn't billions of years old don't you think at least a few secular biologists/geologists would be writing papers about it? doesn't it mean something to you that the only people disputing these things have religious agendas?

 

Yep; we call this "micro evolution". Things can adapt to their conditions and environment. Not physically evolve into another species. The "Flu" is still the "Flu"; just a different "Flu"

 

It's funny that Creationists are grouped as "conspiracy theorists" that want to disprove Science. I embrace science and I am asking questions on that science. It has nothing to do with God right now; yet it seems Crow think it is.

 

symbiotic relationships ARE the evidence (for evolution). they are a prediction that emerges naturally from the theory.

 

It's funny that Creationists are grouped as "conspiracy theorists" that want to disprove Science. I embrace science and I am asking questions on that science. It has nothing to do with God right now; yet it seems Crow think it is.

 

here you're just displaying a total lack of understanding of what the theory of evolution is or what it claims. suggest you study that first THEN look at evidence. otherwise you won't be able to tell propaganda from fact.

 

It depends on what you mean by "theory". If you just mean in the casual, everyday sense (like as in "an idea that someone believes") then sure. Every idea is a theory by that criteria.

But if you mean in the scientific sense, then no -- they are in totally different ballparks. They really aren't even playing the same game.

 

Again, what do you base this on?

 

I don't even like the term "micro evolution", I prefer "speciation". There's no evidence whatsoever for Darwinian evolution.

 

it has everything to do with god. the only reason you're questioning science here is because your default position is that genesis is literally true. if jewish priests hadn't bothered to include it in the torah you would accept the scientific position on evolution as you accept every other scientific position that doesn't challenge your religious belief.

 

Let me give you just one incident of symbiosis.

So for just 1 strand of DNA; the probability of the physical evolution is 2^1 000 = 1.07150861 × 10 to the power of 301. I can't even put the number on here without taking up 3 screens. And now let's put the theory that over 1 billion years of evolution made over billions of different organisms on this planet. Can you see the mathematical improbability on this?

 

it's based on the theory itself. species evolve to adapt to their environment. other species they interact with constitute part of their environment. if the theory is true it should not be surprising that species evolve interdepenent relationships.

 

I proved it quite well, but you are ignoring the mathematical improbability. That is science, not conspiracy. Look at the equation and get back to me. Hell ask Nic, whom I heard was a math guru and give him this question. Billions of organisms, some with multi-symbiotic DNA differences X 10 to the power of 301. Then factor the formula of having only 1 billion years to make this process happen and see where it takes you.

 

Um, I'm asking you mathematical improbabilities, scientific questions and well pretty much keeping it in the language you only accept. Not one of my questions to you on the last 20 posts have used "God" as the answer. I am asking you to prove how you can accept the mathematical improbability? It's impossible through a natural process.

 

There are different kinds of speciation, I should have been more specific.

 

And you're the only person I've heard that claims symbiosis actually supports evolution. What are your sources and where did you gather your information from?

 

you posted a piece of propanda taking one scientists work from 1964 out of context and figuring odds of evolution "by accident" and "random chance". you clearly don't understand the first thing about what the theory actually is.

 

And let me add that this "quote" I posted, explains that it is "probable"; but the time table "theorized" being billions of species only having 1 billion years to evolve is very "improbable". So this "mathematic probability" disproves the other scientific findings of the Earth being a few hundred billions of years old. And even more importantly; complex organisms existing 100 billions of years ago. That gives you 100 billion years to make up around a billion different organisms.