whites killed the weaker undeveloped "savages" upon landing in america. same as a gorilla killing a weaker gorilla over territory. they had what we wanted, so we killed them and took it. and without so much as a minor moral objection i would guess
I see someone making absolutely no sense in now probably the 20th inane hypothetical you've posted. That's what I see. I look forward to the next one though. did this 12" fish evolve from the other fish? Did he grow larger and more aggressive through thousands of years of, as a species, larger and more aggressive fish mating and outlasting the smaller, less aggressive fish by beating them to food?
Let's say Hilter had a vision from God and God told him he was the supreme specicies. You don't believe in God, so who cares? Hitler is a natural species, just like the fish I just described. Don't even bring up Christianity, Budah, Mohamid, or Zues. You don't believe in them so why does it matter?
mags, are you circling around to the "soul" argument? as in, humans are the only ones that should know better, because we arent just animals, we have souls? if so, this thread could take awhile!
You seem to have about 9 or 10 points you're maybe trying to make in this thread. And the hypotheticals only muddy it further.
Why didn't it? Through Darwin's theory, we have the same ancestors as the Chimp or other monkeys right? At one time, we all were the same species. Natural selection made that agressive fish, agressive and bigger and strong and able to eat its own kind without prejudice. Since we evolved from the same line from our Chimp cousins; we have just as much right to kill our own through natural selection as the aggressive bigger fish. In fact, since we evolved to be the master species we have every right to kill pretty much everything because we can.
Yes. Why does it matter what Hilter believes since you don't care? You don't believe in My God, nor any other God for that matter. It's irrelevant. We are talking about morality, not God. Well unless you think God is the only one that knows "morality"
Oh okay, so a fish created a crime then? So it's a crime for nature to kill its own. Then we must destroy or punish every lion killing the weak or all the fish in the sea. They are acting in MASS GENOCIDE! <--- Slay the inhumane!
Are you able to follow the thread and the quoting function to know when people are commenting on another post, to know what they are referring to? I don't give a shit really what hitler believed, to your end of the discussion, and how he justified it. I think it's wrong, christian or atheist. However, a side discussion, somewhat, was being had on christian nations versus atheist nations and how many people that had killed. To that end, it was relevant.
It has every relevance because you have just proven my point. RELIGION or BELIEFS don't classify morality. Morality already exists, it always has existed. We as humans have this "blue print" embedding in us, because we have "God" in us "The Holy Spirit" and if "Morality" always existed, and morality isn't a "mass"; then it must be something else. It's information! Information cannot come from nothing. Something had to put it there. That's why there is a difference between a Human and an Ape, a Human and a fish, a human and basically any other species on the planet. We have a soul! We have God. If you believe in Science, then you must believe in God. Because information can't poof out of thin air, because it is inatimate. You don't have to believe in My God, but the refusal of God not existing is insane! We can tell the difference between right and wrong!
how does my desire not to see myself or other humans suffer and die exist? it's partially genetic and partially learned. it exists in my physical genes and in the electronic pulses in my brain, just like everything else about me. i evolved not wanting to die, yes. no mystery about that.
you say it is irrelevant, and then follow up my post by saying it has every relevance. insane is...i dunno, wherever you're aiming to take the discussion. I feel trolled.
The last part of my statement put my Christian hat on. When I was discussion the things in between it was irrelevant because I wasn't asking the questions as a "Christian". I actually asked them being completely unbias to any belief. It may have been confusing, but I think I made my point. And you can refuse what that point is because I'm not your mind. I am only trying to give you what I think I already know. You can take it in or toss it out, or try and discredit it because you don't want it to influence others. That's what a debate is about.
I don't think you made your point. Or, rather, you made no point to me. And in a discussion, to make your point, you would have to get it across to the person in the discussion. So....you have morals because of god. If that's your point that you tried in 6 pages to get across, then, ok. Good for you, I guess.
Well if you believe science, there is such a thing as Quantum Physics, time and space can be one. That would mean there could be a possibility that there is an Alpha and Omega. Basically meaning that he, just like morality was always here.
