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  1. Denny Crane

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    No scientist claims the multiverse theory is reality. The scientists who are working on it freely admit that it's purely a mathematical exercise.
     
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    Is that your reason? If so, fine.
     
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    well there's no hard evidence for a multiverse. the distrubution of matter in our universe in evidence for dark matter.

    and again scientists in general don't claim to know these things with certainty and you're appealing to god-of-the-gaps.
     
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    I hardly think it's fair to demand that science explain what's between your ears.
     
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    I never said they claim it's a reality, it's nothing more than trying to explain away the obvious fine tuning observed in the physical universe. Because if there are trillions of universes then ours isn't so "special". Basically scientists these days are piling unprovable theories on top of each other in an attempt to explain a godless universe. Essentially flinging shit against the wall hoping something will stick.
     
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    The scripture and link to describe it was already posted by ABM. And you disagreeing that can be my belief "Using scripture from the Bible"; then you just gave me a catch-22 question. You haven't put my "Christian hat" on.
     
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    again, you're just making my point. i suspect you will have a very hard time finding a name on that list who is currently working in relevant fields (geology, biology, astrophysics or whatever) and would say the earth is not billions of years old. neither of those qualify.
     
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    Perhaps you could tell me what about that page that you find convincing, because, to be frank, it rambles a bit. Also, am I to understand that you had no firm beliefs about homosexuality before you came across that page or just that you don't think your beliefs are coherent enough for you to state them yourself?
     
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    Um... I literally don't know what your last two sentences mean. But are you saying that your reason for believing that "your God" condemns homosexuality is Leviticus 20:13? If that passage was not in the Bible, would you not be opposed to homosexuality, or do you think that there's just an overwhelming anti-homosexual subtext to the entire thing? (And if so, why?)
     
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    When you hear static on the radio, you're hearing the afterglow of the big bang. You realize that, right?
     
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    No hard evidence for a multiverse is an understatement, no evidence would be more accurate. And as for dark matter, we don't know it's there, and we can't see it or observe it in any way, but of course it would help explain a godless universe so therefore it's a legitimate scientific theory. And God of the gaps arguments are only valid if you assume God doesn't exist, which is of course ridiculous given the evidence we have.
     
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    I love it when people start resorting to personal attacks. Lets me know the debates going my way.
     
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    I have many homosexual friends, and I love them as much as I love my Christian brother. I don't know what point you are trying to make here. Do you even know what I believe?
     
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    A) My post had nothing to do with the big bang. B) the big bang does absolutely nothing to disprove God, in fact you can argue it only strengthens it considering it essentially proves the universe had a beginning. There's a reason it bummed out secular scientists in the 1920's when they discovered it.
     
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    Dark matter is observed and measured.

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    Which version of it do you espouse? Because I can't think of one that Hume didn't convincingly demolish in this. If you don't want to read that whole thing (you're missing out - it's a rip-snorter) I'd be willing to show you what's wrong with the version you find convincing.
     
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    Physicist

    Biology

    Chemistry and Physics

    Chemist

    Molecular Biology

    I just randomly picked a few. Would you like more?
     
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    Believe it or not, I'm trying to find out. You seem incapable of answering questions directly.
     
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    LOL! That picture is supposed to prove what exactly? Did someone go outside the boundaries of the universe and take some snapshots? Nothing about the universe is "proven" or "measured". Desperation setting in.
     
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    Oh Denny, Denny. It's angels singing, you silly man.
     

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