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  1. magnifier661

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    Are you implying that Christians believe you can magically drive without gas?
     
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    Cool at least you agree that evolution maybe wrong. ;)
     
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    It may not answer those questions, but it does demonstrate the earth is 4.5 billion years old, the universe began 13.7 billion years ago, that there is matter and energy, etc. and that there is no design to the universe (no two of anything are exactly the same).

    So which creation myth do you believe: rested on the 7th day or garden of Eden?
     
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    They can't drive without science. ;-)
     
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    Where is the proof that these other universes exist? Then we're left with the same questions we have now, only on a bigger scale. I don't see how a multiverse theory does anything to rectify these problems.

    God is a Spirit, or an immaterial, non-physical being. I wouldn't consider that overly complex. Don't confuse God's complex ideas with God's complexity Himself. There has to be an uncaused first cause, because if an infinite regress were possible the universe would have burned out an infinitely long time ago. Something has to be eternal, unless you want to explain how something (like the entire universe) can literally come from nothing. Another assumption in which there is not a shred of evidence for and I'd argue would take more faith to believe in than a designer. So what makes more sense to you? Personally I think God makes loads of more sense than the alternative, not just based on reason and logic, but based on the fact the He's revealed Himself to mankind throughout the course of history. We are without excuse.
     
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    I don't believe either are a myth, I believe they are both are our reality. I believe a spontaneous, causeless, sourceless, purposeless, meaningless existence sounds more like a myth to me. Put your faith in carbon-14 dating, I'll put my faith in God.
     
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    I wish people wouldn't use the word "philosophy" that way. Please stick with "set of beliefs" in future. But here's what you said:

    Wait a minute: "The Holy Spirit" and "my spirit" are one and the same? I thought THS was part of God? Are you saying that I'm a bit of God? Pantheism! You old Spinozist, you.

    Why are they in constant battle? Presumably God set this up. It sounds like a pretty fucking stupid system. Couldn't he have made them a bit more compatible?

    You know, are you sure you're not a Jedi-ist? This sounds an awful lot like the Sides of the Force. Or you could be a Manichean.

    Of course not.

    Presumably you're talking metaphorically. By the way, since you go on rather a lot about Jesus's blood, what are you views on Transubstantiation?

    Seems a bit unfair. By the way, is Gandhi in Heaven or Hell on your particular "philosophy"?

    All this talk of blood and fire makes me want to watch The Wicker Man again.

    Um - let's put it this way: you already know how to speak in tongues.
     
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    Well what if a being can defy physics or other dimensions? Is it possible? Can it be done?
     
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    So was the universe created twice? What happened in between, and how was the first universe destroyed?
     
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    They're hypotheses. You know, like God. Only with math.

    Why not? Are you saying that all minds are simple? You might be overgeneralizing from a small sample set there.
     
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    No the universe was created once, by God. Unless you hold what men *think* they know above what God knows, in which I feel sorry for your misdirection.
     
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    Maybe, but there's no evidence of such a being. Come up with a few hundred different experiments that all turn out to support the theory that anything can defy physics or other dimensions, and I might believe it.

    But how can such a being create us in his own image since we can't defy physics or other dimensions?
     
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    Well I personally think the God hypothesis makes much more logical sense than some unexplainable multiverse theory, for a boat-load of reasons. Trying to sugarcoat your ideas sound like more "complex" or "scientific" explanations does nothing to increase their credibility.

    No, I'm saying God doesn't need to be more complex than His creation, otherwise we would never explain anything.
     
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    If you believe in both creation myths, the how can they both be true if there's just this one universe? You don't have to read very far into Genesis to see where the one story stops and the second (awkwardly) starts.
     
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    LOL, well if you don't like the way I believe that's totally cool coolio! :) And Gandhi is in hell if he didn't except Jesus Christ as his savior. Does that piss you off or something? Not my law, but you can take it up with God too when you meet him.
     
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    If you understand the Bible you'll understand there is no direct contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2. This is an age-old attempt that anti-theists have tried to use to debunk Christianity.
     
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    Well, you're a good proof reader, I'll give you that.

    Oden's Blood! I wasted an hour on this crap. I've got ritual sacrifices to perform.
     
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    And this is why I embrace science. I think what we've accomplished in such a short time is beyond imagination. You can't right this shit any better in a Sci-fy classic. I have no beef with science. I think it's beautiful and artistic. People that think science isn't an art is fooling themselves. I think it's a masterpiece!

    When we pass and be with God, we will. Isn't that cool?
     
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    So you seriously believe that it's okay to torture somebody for all eternity, not because they're a bad person, but because they won't suck up to you? THAT'S the God you worship?

    I'm refraining from making a concentration camp guard reference, but it's hard.
     
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    GO BLAZERS!!!!! Can we at least agree on this? ;)
     

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