Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief

Kind of OT, but I'll say the hypotheticals and arguments for intelligent design also sound similar to the conspiracy theories in regards to 9/11. Sure, there's science behind the buildings falling because of the ignited jet fuel. But with the location of the crash, etc. what are the odds that not one, but 2 buildings would collapse perfectly on top of themselves, without the collapse being "intelligently designed"?

 

There you go again with the word "Proof". I am not proving anything! I am just giving my evidence and you can decide one way or another. And once again, you are using "My God" as a logical comparison. Again this can be anything intelligent. Forget the Omnipresent; since that is connected to my belief.

And the metaphor of the "Mona Lisa" doesn't have to mean the actual "Mona Lisa". Nice dodge.

 

Okay so you will be Open to the idea that a painting like the Mona Lisa can just randomly put itself on a rock? Forget the canvas. And I will give you 1 trillion years. Is that logical in your mind?

 

4) Denny's got it right -- if you drop enough boxes of toothpicks out of windows, it becomes a statistical CERTAINTY that at least some of those boxes will spell your name. Depending on how many you drop, you could even be reasonably assured to get something resembling your FULL name.

5) I believe the Mona Lisa was painted by a human not because it is complex, but because there is no reason to doubt the historical record that it was done by Da Vinci. This is not comparable to complexity in nature, where there are many well-documented examples of patterns and complexity arising from incredibly simple initial rules. For example, take seven identically-sized spheres and toss them into a bowl. Amazingly, without any planning by you, they will form themselves into a kind of six-pointed star shape! Remarkable! The only inputs necessary for this elegant system are that the spheres are identically sized, and that there be some sort of attractive force. How many more patterns would be possible if we had a variety of forces and a variety of spheres... say, like a bunch of atoms in our universe?



Snowflakes are another classic example. Each one appears to be an intricate work of art -- such diversity, such elegance! And yet, their formation is completely explainable by a few seemingly-simple rules for interaction between water molecules (mostly hydrogen bonding) and the details of their surrounding conditions (such as temperature and humidity). There is no need for an intelligent planner behind snowflake formation -- at least not directly. You may choose to go deeper, and ask "well, where did those laws come from?" But then we are back at the cosmological argument: where did ANYTHING come from? We don't know, but at least it can be shown that there is no need for intelligent consciousness behind the formation of patterns in nature.

 

This is a perfect example. You are using this as chance, I am saying it is logical that it was designed by a creator. But with the tooth pick theory. It is very possible that it could someday; millions, billions, trillions of years eventually spell out your name; but assume for a minute that you have two options. Which sounds more logical? Intelligence putting it there, or it eventually happening over the course of a few billion years?

 

I gotta get some food; but I will come back. Fire away at how silly my points are. I think it's kinda funny.

 

It IS a perfect example, and it is NOT random chance -- it is the guaranteed result of putting several simple interactive forces together with some stuff. In other words, snowflakes are a perfect example of non-intelligent, guaranteed patterns in nature!

 

He has said bingo, exactly, agreed, and you are making my point so many times in these threads, in response to seemingly only things disagreeing with him, not showing his points, etc. Makes the discussion difficult when either someone doesn't know what you're saying, or doesn't know what he's saying. Or somehow has an all agreeable point, but he's not letting any of us in on it.

 

I LOVE this puzzle!

 

TAKE WHAT'S IN THE BOX!!!!

 

It's nothing! Absolutely nothing!

YOU SOOOO STUPIIIIID!

 

Can my consolation prize be a drink from the fire hose?

 

Who told you what Jesus looked like?

 

I like that when Denny gives you a mathematical proof that your toothpick nonsense could actually happen, you reply with this:

And then switch to the argument that it just sounds more logical that it was placed there. Come on man, you can do better than that.

 

My Sunday School coloring book, of course.

 

yeah that potato chip looks nothing like a short, dark, curly haired, Palestinian Jew.