Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief

Okay so here is point #7


7.) Is there enough time and matter in the Universe?

Now keep in mind that I bring up creation of life “living organism”; not to debunk evolution. I am just using the probability of creating just “one living organism”. From that point; you can just assume that evolution may have had its natural process.

What we’ve learned is that you can make a “amino acid” type soup; with electricity, dust, water, etc. So all the components of life could realistically be present. But you can have all the parts to make life; but in order for life to exist; these parts must come together perfectly. So given the number of possible amino acids for even the simplest living cell, I’ve read from various math scholars the chances of life forming is around 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power.

The entire universe, has 10 to the 80th power of atoms available (including the estimate of dark matter, because before it was estimated at 10 to the 79th power)

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-10/905633072.As.r.html

And given this basic run down of time and matter; it is put out like this.

Planck time (~ 5.4 × 10 to the -44 seconds power) is the unit of time in the system of natural units known as Planck units. Current established physical theories are believed to fail at this time scale, and many physicists expect that the Planck time might be the smallest unit of time that could ever be measured, even in principle.

So, now we simply multiply:
13.7 billion years = 13,700,000,000 years. 
31,557,600 seconds per year
 x Planck time.

In scientific notion:
Years = 1.37 x 10 to the 10th power

Seconds = 3.1 x 10 to the 7th power

Planck time = 5.4 x 10 to the 44th power number of parts of a second.
To multiply, you simply multiply the first numbers, and add the exponents.
1.37 x 3.1 x 5.4 = 22.9
10 + 7 + 44 = 61

So, we get 22.9 x 10 to the 61st power number of times in the entire age of the universe, or:
2.3 x 10 to the 62nd power number of times in the age of the universe.
Now, we multiply that, by the total number of atoms, which is 10 to the 80th power.

Simple, add the exponents: 62 plus 80 = 142.

2.3 x 10 to the 142nd power represents the maximum number of "atom level" events that can take place in the entire universe, over 13.7 billion years.
An event that would require hundreds of thousands of molecules made up of atoms and thousands of amino acids made up of molecules would mean that you would have thousands and thousands of times fewer chances, of course, so the number of chances for life forming from molecular amino acids would be far less, perhaps a million times less, or perhaps only by 10 to the 7th or 9th power, but we can work with the higher figure.

Again, a low minimum number of chances needed for life forming at random are about 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power.

And a high maximum number of chances in the universe is only 1 in 10 to the 142nd power.

To get the actual odds then, we merely subtract the exponents.
40,000 minus 142 = 39,858.

In other words, the total number of chances available in the entire universe didn't help increase the possibility of life forming without a creator.

We actually need to use standard scientific notation rounding standards to take that number and round it right back up to 40,000 again, because the original number, 40,000 is accurate to only one digit, so the final number must be rounded back to one digit.

And if you think that you may come up with the argument that life could be given by some meteor or anything else in the universe; keep in mind that I factored the entire universe being the primordial amino acid soup. That cannot be a factor.

 

So here is #7. I think this is one of the most compelling arguments and evidence that we have a creator.

 

I think this is why you can have many in the field of science that still believe in God.

 

The Astrobiology discipline is very intriguing to me.

 

As written, #7 is incomplete as a question. Maybe you'd like to clarify it?

7.) Is there enough time and matter in the Universe?

Enough time and matter for what?

If that is the complete question the answer is an obvious and simple yes, the exact correct amount.

 

I specified it. Is there enough time in the universe to create life? The title is a summary.

 

Any calculation using time as a part of the equation is useless, since man does not know what time is or even if it actually exists. Time is a theory, several opposing theories actually. Like god(s), time is a creation by man to give himself the illusion that he knows WTF is going on.

 

Here you go again MARIS. You are the blind man arguing that the color purple doesn't exist. If you haven't read the first part of the thread; I clearly pointed out that this is only based on what we know; not what we don't. If that's the case, then I can use Faith as an argument or evidence. Clearly that isn't logical, so we must strike it from the "evidence".

 

Strawman arguement again.

"The" (our) universe is a speck of sand on the infinite beach of universes.

Life is and always has been. It merely transforms. It does not die and it is not born.

 

So many incorrect assumptions. Pretty clear why none of it get's you any closer to answers so you end up having to throw out your empty "faith" as a proxy for evidence.

The color purple DOES NOT EXIST.

NOR DO ANY OTHER COLORS EXIST.
http://visionperspective.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/does-colour-exist/

Your assumption that a sighted individual is less observant and more easily deceived is also in error. People are fooled more often by what they think they saw than by any other sensory perception.

As for what we know and what we don't know, there's no such agreement in mankind. We all know different things. Very little of your arguement is based on anything known to anyone so it's a moot point. Your points are mostly based on theories and conjectures that have nothing to do with the thread title.

For atheism to be unsound as you posit, god must exist.

It ain't, he don't, and you seem to have conceded he doesn't by avoiding the elephant in the room entirely.

 

LOL, you are arguing a straw man MARIS. Not only are you arguing with creationists about "God"; you have completely discredited the entire science community all in one big SWOOP! What you just said is a "Faith Driven" answer. There is absolutely no logic behind it whatsoever.

 

You base these on what exactly?

 

You are the one using "Faith" as a proxy for evidence. I am saying "If what we know proves, that the mathematical improbability given that the universe is 17.3 billion years old; and there are estimated 10 to the power of 80 atoms in the universe; and even the simplest life must have amino acids and enzymes to come together in perfect order is 1 X 10 to the 40,000 power; then the entire known universe wouldn't have enough primordial soup to make even a simple form of life."

But if you factor in a creator; one that defies the known laws of physics; one that has the power to "fine tune" the universe; that probability is much greater. So the logic choice would be that there is a creator; which would give evidence that atheism is not a sound belief.

 

Um Planck time gives you a better understanding of the probability. I used it both ways Denny. The math works even if you take away the Planck time. I used it because it's the most precise known time measurement known right now.

Would you rather me simplify it for you? Do it without that time and see the probability. It's still just as improbable.

 

improbable does not mean impossible, correct?

I could be misreading, skimming quickly, but does it boil down to the amount of possibilities it would have to take, and the amount of time there has been, that it couldn't have basically found the ONE possibility in that short of time?