1. Lebron James2. Shawn Marion3. Carmelo Anthony4. Andrei Kirirlenko5. Lamar Odom6. Ron Artest7. Richard Jefferson8. Josh Howard9. Rashard Lewis10. Tayshaun Prince
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Air Mcgrady @ Jul 26 2006, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wat about Mcgrady? Im pretty sure he is playing the 3 this year</div>I consider McGrady a 2 guard, playing out of position at Small Forward.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 25 2006, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ron over Shawn? Why? Shawn is the better downlow scorer, scorer and rebounder. Ron Artest is maybe the better defender, but that is just about it.I would definately put Shawn Marion over Ron Artest. You could argue Andrei Kirilenko over Artest as well..</div>LMAO, shawn marion doesn't score down low at all. Artest is actually the better post player by leaps and bounds. Artest is the better scorer, defender, passer. He doesn't depend on a true pg's penetration-and-kick, he can create for himself. Last time i checked Marion had 75% of his made fg's assisted. If Artest wasn't sucha headcase he'd be a perennial all-star.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 26 2006, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shawn Marion plays in a uptempo offense which allows him to get more points, he plays with a small lineup which allows him to get more rebounds....dont just look at statistics. He works harder and defense is just as much as offense. And he is the best perimeter defender in the league.</div> Shawn Marion was putting up big numbers before D'Antoni came to the Suns.
WTF? Ron Artest scores less than Marion on a lower percentage. Who cares about pg's? Shawn has always had a pg, yes, but that's because of how the Suns play. Everything revolves through Nash. Nash sets up his guys, there are hardly any iso situations. Shawn is very skilled. He is athletic, a good shooter, and he can score downlow, so I bet he could do the same job without Nash. It doesn't matter.And Artest is the better downlow scorer? What? Shawn Marion scores alot of his points in the paint. He scores more paint points than Artest in my mind. I don't know what you're talking about here.Marion is the better scorer, rebounder, shotblocker, and they are both great defenders.
yes he is skilled, but of course a player is going to be more efficient playing with Nash. I guess i'll take your word for it tho. If you bet he could do the same bc he's athletic, then i guess you're right. Shawn Marion is NOT the better scorer. He is a better shooter, not scorer. Did you watch the first round of the playoffs, Spurs vs. Kings? If you watched that, you would know how dominant Ron artest can be on offense. He can create for himself and score, instead of being breast fed by Nash or Marbury. On offense, Marion just stands out on the perimeter and waits for the kick out. I'm not taking anything away from him as an athlete or a defender or rebounder, but he's not that good of a scorer. Oh, he's a better shotblocker? Who the hell cares? neither of them block very many shots, that is completely besides the point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 26 2006, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes he is skilled, but of course a player is going to be more efficient playing with Nash. I guess i'll take your word for it tho. If you bet he could do the same bc he's athletic, then i guess you're right. Shawn Marion is NOT the better scorer. He is a better shooter, not scorer. Did you watch the first round of the playoffs, Spurs vs. Kings? If you watched that, you would know how dominant Ron artest can be on offense. He can create for himself and score, instead of being breast fed by Nash or Marbury. On offense, Marion just stands out on the perimeter and waits for the kick out. I'm not taking anything away from him as an athlete or a defender or rebounder, but he's not that good of a scorer. Oh, he's a better shotblocker? Who the hell cares? neither of them block very many shots, that is completely besides the point.</div>I don't agree. I think Shawn could do the same thing without Nash. That's just how the Suns play. Everything revolves around Nash. That's not Shawn's fault. He is still a great offensive player. He is skilled, athletic, and he can shoot. He is a 20 ppg guy.How is Shawn Marion not the better scorer? That's stupid, man. Shawn scores more points than Ron, and the percentages are a landslide. Shawn has a .525 fg%, and Ron has a .404 fg%. So please, tell me. How is Ron the better scorer? Please tell me. Oh yeah! Ron was so dominate on offense. Those 17 ppg and 38 fg% were dominant numbers. Please, if you want to talk playoff numbers than look at Shawn's numbers against the Clippers. He averaged 25.6 ppg, 12.6 rpg on 50% shooting. Which one would you think is more impressive? Please, don't make me laugh. I don't care if Ron can create for himself. The Suns don't play iso, they run through Nash, so how would you know if Shawn could create for himself also? He is just playing in a different system, but he is putting up better numbers and being WAY more efficient on offense. So you can't really compare that at all. Not that good of a scorer? WTF? Are you on crack cocaine or something? Please. He scores 21 ppg on 52% shooting, and he is not a good scorer? So what if Nash passes him the ball. Who is the one scoring the points? Come on. Don't be retarded. It's not his fault that the Suns play that way offensively.I'm just listing that as something that Shawn is better at. Shawn is the better all around player dude.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 26 2006, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't agree. I think Shawn could do the same thing without Nash. That's just how the Suns play. Everything revolves around Nash. That's not Shawn's fault. He is still a great offensive player. He is skilled, athletic, and he can shoot. He is a 20 ppg guy.How is Shawn Marion not the better scorer? That's stupid, man. Shawn scores more points than Ron, and the percentages are a landslide. Shawn has a .525 fg%, and Ron has a .404 fg%. So please, tell me. How is Ron the better scorer? Please tell me. Oh yeah! Ron was so dominate on offense. Those 17 ppg and 38 fg% were dominant numbers. Please, if you want to talk playoff numbers than look at Shawn's numbers against the Clippers. He averaged 25.6 ppg, 12.6 rpg on 50% shooting. Which one would you think is more impressive? Please, don't make me laugh. I don't care if Ron can create for himself. The Suns don't play iso, they run through Nash, so how would you know if Shawn could create for himself also? He is just playing in a different system, but he is putting up better numbers and being WAY more efficient on offense. So you can't really compare that at all. Not that good of a scorer? WTF? Are you on crack cocaine or something? Please. He scores 21 ppg on 52% shooting, and he is not a good scorer? So what if Nash passes him the ball. Who is the one scoring the points? Come on. Don't be retarded. It's not his fault that the Suns play that way offensively.I'm just listing that as something that Shawn is better at. Shawn is the better all around player dude.</div>Do you think that when Amare comes back to the Suns, Shawn Marion will get near as many points and rebounds? of course not....let me hit you up with a little statistic since you like to use them so much. Shawn Marion shoots on average 1.5 more shots per game than ron ron AND he plays a minute more per game. that might not seem like alot but if he is only getting 4 more points a game, that doesnt make him THAT much better of a scorer. None the less, I will still give him the nod on the overall offensive game. Even though, I still think Ron Artest is better at posting up. Shawn Marion doesnt have a post game at all. He gets most of his points off of dunks, mid range jumpers, and fast break buckets. I would say 70 percent of his points. Another thing, in 04-05, before his suspension, Ron Artest was averaging 24.5 points a game. So you know that his offense his there if he wants it to be. He is CLEARLY a better defender than Shawn Marion. He is the best perimeter defender in the league. The reason I put him above Shawn is because I view defense as something that is more important than offense. In the playoff series against the lakers this season, Lamar Odom DOMINATED Shawn Marion on the low block. For a guy that is 6 9, he cant play defense agaisnt a guy with the same build as him. I guarantee you Ron Artest would put up a better fight.I am not arguing that Ron is a better scorer. I am simply saying he is better in the low block, and he can be as good as scoring as Shawn if he is more aggressive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Air Mcgrady @ Jul 26 2006, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wat about Mcgrady? Im pretty sure he is playing the 3 this year</div>I see T-Mac playing the 2. Shane Battier should be playing the 3 because he's stronger and can handle multiple defensive assignments.
pff id pick Kirilenko over melo everyday day of the week, even wednesday. hes the nest oscar robertson (all around game.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 26 2006, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't agree. I think Shawn could do the same thing without Nash. That's just how the Suns play. Everything revolves around Nash. That's not Shawn's fault. He is still a great offensive player. He is skilled, athletic, and he can shoot. He is a 20 ppg guy.How is Shawn Marion not the better scorer? That's stupid, man. Shawn scores more points than Ron, and the percentages are a landslide. Shawn has a .525 fg%, and Ron has a .404 fg%. So please, tell me. How is Ron the better scorer? Please tell me. Oh yeah! Ron was so dominate on offense. Those 17 ppg and 38 fg% were dominant numbers. Please, if you want to talk playoff numbers than look at Shawn's numbers against the Clippers. He averaged 25.6 ppg, 12.6 rpg on 50% shooting. Which one would you think is more impressive? Please, don't make me laugh. I don't care if Ron can create for himself. The Suns don't play iso, they run through Nash, so how would you know if Shawn could create for himself also? He is just playing in a different system, but he is putting up better numbers and being WAY more efficient on offense. So you can't really compare that at all. Not that good of a scorer? WTF? Are you on crack cocaine or something? Please. He scores 21 ppg on 52% shooting, and he is not a good scorer? So what if Nash passes him the ball. Who is the one scoring the points? Come on. Don't be retarded. It's not his fault that the Suns play that way offensively.I'm just listing that as something that Shawn is better at. Shawn is the better all around player dude.</div>I know it's not Shawn's fault that everything revolves around nash, he just benefits alot from it. He can shoot, and yes he's athletic. But he can't in any way create for himself. He has no control or ballhandling in a half court offense.Like i've been saying, Ron Artest can create for himself. Marion can not. Marion is the better shooter, and i'm not denying that. But Artest is a guy that can lead the team to a win at the end of a game. We apparently have a disagreement on the definition of the word scorer. Shooters are not Scorers. Marion is a shooter. He thrives in that system. If you put him in a half court set without a true pg, he's lost. He'd get around 15 ppg, maybe. And his percentages would definitely drop. Am i on crack? grow up.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fabolous @ Jul 26 2006, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>pff id pick Kirilenko over melo everyday day of the week, even wednesday. hes the nest oscar robertson (all around game.)</div>next oscar robertson? you've got to be kidding me. AK doesn't have half the passing ability Big O had in his rookie year. Just bc he can fill up a stat sheet doesn't make him the next big o.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 26 2006, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you think that when Amare comes back to the Suns, Shawn Marion will get near as many points and rebounds? of course not....let me hit you up with a little statistic since you like to use them so much. Shawn Marion shoots on average 1.5 more shots per game than ron ron AND he plays a minute more per game. that might not seem like alot but if he is only getting 4 more points a game, that doesnt make him THAT much better of a scorer. None the less, I will still give him the nod on the overall offensive game. Even though, I still think Ron Artest is better at posting up. Shawn Marion doesnt have a post game at all. He gets most of his points off of dunks, mid range jumpers, and fast break buckets. I would say 70 percent of his points. Another thing, in 04-05, before his suspension, Ron Artest was averaging 24.5 points a game. So you know that his offense his there if he wants it to be. He is CLEARLY a better defender than Shawn Marion. He is the best perimeter defender in the league. The reason I put him above Shawn is because I view defense as something that is more important than offense. In the playoff series against the lakers this season, Lamar Odom DOMINATED Shawn Marion on the low block. For a guy that is 6 9, he cant play defense agaisnt a guy with the same build as him. I guarantee you Ron Artest would put up a better fight.I am not arguing that Ron is a better scorer. I am simply saying he is better in the low block, and he can be as good as scoring as Shawn if he is more aggressive.</div>I don't care. Shawn still scores more ppg on a much higher percentage. If that doesn't tell you if he is the better scorer or not, I don't know what will. Okay, I will agree. Shawn Marion doesn't have a post up game. I meant that he scored more inside points, or points in the paint. And I'd definately say that is true.Okay, come on man. He played only 7 games when he totaled 24 ppg. 7 games! You can't count that at all. If he played all 82 games, or close to it that season, I think everyone knows that his average wouldnt still be that high. And if you want to go that route then Shawn averaged 25 ppg in his games in April. There ya go.Yes, yes, I get it. Ron is the better defender, I already pointed that out. What I was saying though is that they aren't that far apart defensively. Shawn is also a great defender and a serious candidate for DPOY this past season. Okay, I guess you can take your pick on which player you would want. You could take a headcase who is very good at defense and a guy that scores 17 ppg on 40% shooting, or Shawn Marion, who is in the top 5 in steals, blocks, and rebounds, and who scores 21 ppg on 52% shooting and is another candidate for defensive player of the year. I know that I would take Shawn for the better all around player
Ron Artest is stronger, smarter defensively. He is by leaps and bounds the better defender. Shawn Marion is athletic, but he can't really lock a guy down like Artest can.
big o was the best stat filler of his time. Kirilenko is too isnt he? doesnt that make the comparison legit in that sense?
no. AK can get blocks and steals, that's what seperates him in that department. Oscar Robertson AVERAGED a triple-double. That's just insane.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 26 2006, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know it's not Shawn's fault that everything revolves around nash, he just benefits alot from it. He can shoot, and yes he's athletic. But he can't in any way create for himself. He has no control or ballhandling in a half court offense.Like i've been saying, Ron Artest can create for himself. Marion can not. Marion is the better shooter, and i'm not denying that. But Artest is a guy that can lead the team to a win at the end of a game. We apparently have a disagreement on the definition of the word scorer. Shooters are not Scorers. Marion is a shooter. He thrives in that system. If you put him in a half court set without a true pg, he's lost. He'd get around 15 ppg, maybe. And his percentages would definitely drop. Am i on crack? grow up.next oscar robertson? you've got to be kidding me. AK doesn't have half the passing ability Big O had in his rookie year. Just bc he can fill up a stat sheet doesn't make him the next big o.</div>Okay, since you keep on shoving this in my face, I decided to do a little research. In the 2 games that Nash didn't play last season Shawn Marion scored 31 and 29 points respectively. So what is that? He can't play without Nash? That is a 30 ppg average without Nash on the court. So guess what, he can score for himself. He is terribly athletic, a good shooter. He can score for himself, he just plays in a Nash revolved offense. Also, I would say Nash benefits the 3 point shooters alot more than Shawn.LOL. Only 15 ppg in a half court offense. Please. You're just making stupid guesses now. Shawn is a great talent offensively, and he would score more than 15 ppg in any offense. So what do you have to say to those numbers?
Shawn Marion scored 20ppg with Amare and Steve Nash...He's always scored around 20ppg regardless of who's playing with him. His numbers all-around have gone up a lot the past 2 years because he's playing inside more...it's not purely because of Steve Nash...it has to do with Amare's injury problems.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fabolous @ Jul 26 2006, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>pff id pick Kirilenko over melo everyday day of the week, even wednesday. hes the nest oscar robertson (all around game.)</div> I'm not going to bother giving a response to that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 26 2006, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, since you keep on shoving this in my face, I decided to do a little research. In the 2 games that Nash didn't play last season Shawn Marion scored 31 and 29 points respectively. So what is that? He can't play without Nash? That is a 30 ppg average without Nash on the court. So guess what, he can score for himself. He is terribly athletic, a good shooter. He can score for himself, he just plays in a Nash revolved offense. Also, I would say Nash benefits the 3 point shooters alot more than Shawn.LOL. Only 15 ppg in a half court offense. Please. You're just making stupid guesses now. Shawn is a great talent offensively, and he would score more than 15 ppg in any offense. So what do you have to say to those numbers?</div>okay. you have a good point with the two games with nash out. But i can honestly say that i don't think he could do near that consistently.
I'm guessing you all are considering Marion a SF so...1. LeBron James2. Shawn Marion3. Carmelo Anthony4. Ron Artest5. Andrei Kirelenko6. Rashard Lewis7. Peja Stojakovic8. Richard Jefferson9. Lamar Odom10. Josh Howard
