This team is done. Fire Nate. Seriously. This is ridiculous.

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  1. BoBoBREWSKI

    BoBoBREWSKI BURP!

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    There are alot of frusterated Blazer fans right now... as we should be. This is bullshit!
     
  2. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    Been saying this for the last 2 years....get rid of Nate fucking McMillian. He's a terrible predictable coach. Shitty offense, and has no fire in his personality to inspire the toughness of these guys.
     
  3. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I think Nate has mostly always gotten guys to play hard for him and I don't think he's a "terrible" coach, but I can't argue with the rest of it. I think Nate's tenure has run its course -- it happens to every coach eventually.
     
  4. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    I was unhappy with the Iso-Roy offense when we had Roy, and he was awesome at it. Now, god what a disaster.
     
  5. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Nates not gonna get fired. I don't know why but he has as much job security as a Phil Jackson type coach. And there can be another excuse this season as well. Oden not coming back, Roy retiring, yada yada yada. Come to reality. He's here to stay. So frustrating too! We had a chance to get adelman this season. Instead we went all in with Nate. I can't imagine how much better we would have been with adelman coaching this team.
     
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    In a game where Wallace blew a simple layup and the team blew a 3 on 1 fastbreak, I guess I have a hard time getting into Nate-bashing. The problem with this team is that there are a bunch of players who play terrific ball when things are going well, but who shrivel up like a salted slug when the going gets tough. The team needs a player with that extra something that Roy had in spades. Unfortunately, those players are nearly impossible to find.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Nash is the guy. I'm telling you it makes perfect sense!
     
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    I agree, it is not all McMillan....although I don't think he is this fantastic coach that some other people do, but the bottom line is that this is just a mediocre team....

    Rebuild...Retool...whatever you want to call it....Outside of Aldridge, Batum and possibly Elliot Williams, clean the rest of the roster out...build around those 2-3 players...

    You have a fair amount of expiring contracts (Felton, Crawford, Camby, likely Wallace) some players who IMO would have value to other teams at the All Star Break (Wallace, Matthews, Camby & Thomas)

    Oh yeah, but before you do that, get a frickin GM...b\c Buchanan is a lousy judge of talent....
     
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    Weav Blazer homer & proud 2 b!

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    We play bad on the road because of the team culture. It's just like any company; the culture begats a mindset that the players employ during the game. I don't believe Nate holds his players accountable for their mistakes. If he did, he would bench players when they break his directive. He tried once with Miller, and then hasn't since.

    The culture starts with Allen, who appears to no longer be as interested as he once was. Sarge doesn't appear to hold players accountable. And our self-admitted on-court leader isn't commanding the performance out of his teammates. Change the culture, change the team.

    Allen needs to step up, be more involved (not with decisions, but with face time, expectations, etc...), hire an assertive GM, fire Nate, get a Tom Coughlin type disiplinary coach and demand Aldridge take some leadership courses.

    Changed culture + our roster + Hard-ass coach = success
     
  10. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    "Impossible to find?" Tough certainly, but not impossible.
     
  11. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Nash might give us a lift for 20 games ... and then what? Hell, even if you can resign him (which is no guarantee) what can you reasonably expect next year when you probably lose Camby and Wallace and maybe Batum (nevermind who you traded to get Nash) and you're mostly left with a skeleton crew around LaMarcus and Nash and that's probably going to crater spectacularly.

    I know people still want to believe that we're on the cusp of something great if we could only make that one move ... but it's far more dire than that.
     
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    You seem to have overlooked the "nearly" in my post. If you want to replace it with "tough", that works for me as well.
     
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    I did an analysis for mags a few weeks ago. He was discouraged by the lack of 'second half adjustments'. I went over the previous 5 games, and found that the Blazers had outscored the other team in 4 out of the 5 games he was talking about.

    This was before the blowout wins against PHX and CHA, and anyway, why shouldn't those games count? Or are the Blazers expected to win every second half of every game, and failure to do so means the coach sucks?

    Please add your own stats to disprove mine. "Misuse of stats ftw" is intellectually lazy, and can't be taken seriously without a sourced counterpoint.
     
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    Viewing the world through negatron glasses and calling it reality again? I don't know whether Nash has enough left to push this team into contention this season, but he might. I'd sure as hell be willing to take a shot at going deep into the playoffs and worry about next season next summer.
     
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    Admittedly it does sadden me a little that I am this frustrated enough to be willing to deal with the consequences of a player rental for half of a season of Blazer enjoyment.
     
  16. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    You did not take into account the small sample size (n = 5? come on). You did not take into account the confounding biases (opponent quality, margin of overall victory [we did win by 44 last game, and won every quarter by a large amount],) etc ,etc.
     
  17. chris_in_pdx

    chris_in_pdx OLD MAN

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    The only stat that anyone should care about is fucking WINS. And on the road, where coaching is paramount, Nate absolutely FAILS.
     
  18. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Cute.

    I'm sure a lot of people think Nash would be just what the doctor ordered, but stating that he probably won't because of some special circumstances doesn't mean I'm being wildly negative, it just means I'm capable of looking at this kind of move in context. A) If they trade for Nash there's going to be a feeling out period. In a normal year there would be more practice time and games to get it figured out. This year, with the compressed schedule, quickly adjusting to new teammates is going to be that much harder. B) If you're trading for Nash, presumably you are parting with what few assets we have left. We can't offer this year's first round pick because next year's is already committed to Charlotte (because of the Stepien rule) so all we have to offer that interests them is probably Nic and Elliot and whatever contract ballast is needed to fill out the deal.

    I like this team and I don't want to see them completely mortgage the future on a deal that I think barely moves the contender meter now and severely cripples it for years later ... and you think I'm being negative. :facepalm:
     
  19. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Nash would obviously help every team in the league. I just don't want to give up players and picks just to rent him.
     
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    Mags was specifically talking about 5 games, so I looked them up. The stats I gave earlier are representative of the entire season.

    Again, offer a counterpoint, of keep being intellectually lazy. You said I misused the stats. I only offered the data. You're accusing me of something that I didn't do, which is intellectually dishonest as well. Attacking me doesn't change the actual data, ftw.
     

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