The Bottom-Line: Start Batum And....

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    ...trade Felton for, I don't know, Rick Brunson.

    That is all.
     
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    Get Nash for anyone other than Aldridge.
     
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    I think we should either draft a point this offseason, or go after Ramon Sessions who will likely be available.
     
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    Maybe he was before he totally outplayed Chris Paul last night. We left it too late.
     
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    with out track record of scouting/drafting PG's that would be a huge mistake IMO. In fact besides changing our coach which I would like to do I think out talent/scouting needs changes as well, and a "real GM" might be nice as well with all the likely changes coming.
     
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    I agree with starting Batum- at SG. I'd also like to see Williams play more.
     
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    More Batum, less Nate.
     
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  11. illmatic99

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    We will.

    2004- Telfair
    2005- Jack
    2006- Sergio
    2007- Koponen
    2008- Bayless
    2009- Patty
    2010- Armon, and Elliot to an extent
    2011- Nolan

    ugh.
     
  12. BlazerBeav

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    Jesus, if that isn't an indictment of everyone in our front office over the last 8 years......
     
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    Many of those were late round picks though. But our drafting over the last 10 years has certainly not secured many good players for us. LA and Batum are the only rotational players we drafted.

    Rich Cho, who supposedly wanted to tear this team apart, is probably laughing at us.
     
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    I say it over and over again - insert Armon Johnson to the rotation. Give him 15 minutes behind Felton and most of our problem is solved. Crawford shouldn't play PG and shouldn't play these many minutes, make him a half-time SG behind Wesley.
    There was a time last year when Armon was considered a huge promise. I personaly haven't seen him lose all that credit, maybe disappointing two or three times but didn't lose all his credit with me at least. Give him some time, try him! we tried Nolan Smith as a 10th player, at least give Armon a chance as a 10th player. I honestly think he'll be a big surprise and even if he stinks it up at least we know for sure we can let him go. Him being a low-cost big-success investment for another team after we just didn't let him play and after me repeating this "Armon" chant in almost every post I write would be just painful.
     
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    Crawford behind Mathews? No thanks. Mathews has been terrible lately. His shot mechanics are just plain terrible.
     
  16. Rastapopoulos

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    If he is, it's only because he has to get high to forget that he works for the Charlotte Bobcats.
     
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    Ugh indeed. But let's see if there were better PGs to be had after those players were picked (glossing over, for the sake of our sanity, that we traded down in 2005 to avoid having to draft D-Will or Chris Paul) (PGs in bold, better players overall listed)
    2004:
    Code:
    14. Utah                Kris Humphries
    15. Boston              Al Jefferson
    17. Atlanta             Josh Smith
    18. New Orleans         J.R. Smith
    19. Miami               Dorell Wright
    20. Denver              [B]Jameer Nelson[/B]
    24. Boston              Delonte West
    25. Boston              Tony Allen
    26. Sacramento          Kevin Martin
    27. Lakers              Sasha Vujacic
    28. San Antonio         [B]Beno Udrih[/B]
    30. Orlando             Anderson Varejao
    37. Atlanta             [B]Royal Ivey[/B]
    38. Chicago             [B]Chris Duhon[/B]
    43. New York            Trevor Ariza
    50. Dallas             [B] Vassilis Spanoulis[/B] (the Tracy McGrady of Greece!  Or so he informed Van Gundy...)
    
    2005:
    Code:
    26. Detroit             Jason Maxiell
    27. Portland            Linas Kleiza
    28. San Antonio         Ian Mahinmi
    30. New York            David Lee
    33. New Orleans	        Brandon Bass
    34. Utah                C.J. Miles
    36. Milwaukee           Ersan Ilyasova
    37. Lakers              Ronny Turiaf
    40. Golden State        [B]Monta Ellis[/B] (okay, not really a PG, but I'd play him at there over Jack!)
    45. Philadelphia        [B]Louis Williams[/B] (ditto)
    56. Detroit             Amir Johnson
    57. Phoenix             Marcin Gortat
    2006:
    Code:
    30. Portland            Joel Freeland
    32. Houston             Steve Novak
    36. Minnesota           Craig Smith
    42. Cleveland           [B]Daniel GIbson[/B] (I actually like Sergio better than Boobie, but the latter is at least still in the NBA)
    47. Utah                Paul Milsap
    2007:
    Code:
    31. Seattle             Carl Landry
    35. Seattle             Glen Davis
    37. Portland            Josh McRoberts
    38. Philadelphia        Kyrylo Fesenko
    48. LA Lakers           Marc Gasol
    49. Chicago             Aaron Gray
    52. Portland            Taurean Green (hey, you forgot one of our PGs.  Who we picked over...)
    56. Milwaukee           [B]Ramon Sessions[/B] (wasn't this Nate's call?)
    2008:
    Code:
    24  Seattle Serge Ibaka - PF  
    25  Houston  Nicolas Batum - SF  
    26  San Antonio  [B]George Hill[/B] - PG  
    35 Clippers DeAndre Jordan Texas A&M - C
    36 Portland Omer Asik Turkey - C
    37 Milwaukee Luc Richard Mbah a Moute UCLA - SF
    45 San Antonio [B]Goran Dragic [/B]Slovenia - PG
    Crappy draft, that one.
    2009: you can't fault Patty at 55, so I'll focus instead on Claver at 22:
    Code:
    25.	Thunder		[B]Rodrigue Beaubois[/B]	PG
    26.	Bulls		Taj Gibson		PF
    33.	Trail Blazers	Dante Cunningham	PF
    37.	Spurs		DeJuan Blair		PF
    39.	Pistons		Jonas Jerebko		SF
    41.	Bucks		Jodie Meeks		SG
    43.	Heat		Marcus Thornton		SG
    44.	Pistons		Chase Budinger		SG
    45.	Timberwolves	[B]Nick Calathes		[/B]PG (not in the NBA yet, but that's because he's with Panathanaikos, one of the best non-NBA teams)
    46.	Cavaliers	Danny Green		SF
    55.	Trail Blazers	Patrick Mills		PG
    2010:
    Code:
    28 	Memphis Grizzlies 	[B]Greivis Vasquez [/B]G, 6-6, 210 Maryland 
    34 	Portland Trail Blazers 	Armon Johnson G, 6-3, 195 Nevada 
    39 	New York Knicks 	Landry Fields F, 6-7, 210 Stanford 
    52 	Boston Celtics  	Luke Harangody F, 6-7, 240 Notre Dame 
    55 	Utah Jazz  		Jeremy Evans F, 6-9, 190 Western Kentucky (wow, the Jazz have always killed in the second round)
    Pretty sucky draft also.
    2011:
    Code:
    22.	Nuggets		Kenneth Faried		PF
    23.	Rockets		Nikola Mirotic		SF (THIS is the one we will regret most in a couple of years, I predict)
    24.	Thunder		[B]Reggie Jackson		[/B]PG
    25.	Celtics		Marshon Brooks		SG
    28.	Bulls		[B]Norris Cole		[/B]PG (this hurts right now, although I'm not sure Nate would give him any more time than he has Nolan)
    33.	Pistons		Kyle Singler		SF
    38.	Rockets		Chandler Parsons	SF (grr....)
    40.	Bucks		Jon Leuer		PF
    41.	Lakers		[B]Darius Morris		[/B]PG (not getting minutes for the Lakers, but I still like him, and he's an ACTUAL POINT GUARD)
    44.	Warriors	Charles Jenkins		PG
    46.	Lakers		Andrew Goudelock	SG
    49.	Grizzlies	Josh Selby		PG
    51.	Trail Blazers	Jon Diebler		SG (why did we draft this guy instead of either of the following:
    55.	Celtics		E'Twaun Moore		SG
    60.	Kings		[B]Isaiah Thomas		[/B]PG (getting more minutes than the Jimmer)
    Overall, I have to say, there's not that many obviously better PGs that we could have had. Except for Ramon Sessions, and I remember hearing that our front office wanted him over Taurean Green, but Nate interceded. Anyone else remember that?
     
  18. BBert

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    That was the story at the time. Epic fail.
     
  19. illmatic99

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    Taking out 05, the 09 draft was a disaster. There were so many PGs to be had with teams just giving up guys like Lawson, and we were too afraid to trade guys like Rudy to get them. Claver was taken at 22, but look at the five picks ahead of him.
     
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    I don't know what to say about Batum. When even a homer like Wheels noticed today that in the first half "he gave absolutely nothing", there is a problem. He had absolutely no focus and intensity in the first half and in the first half is when we lost that game. The guy needs to prove that he can be consistent with 25 minutes a game before he gets 35 minutes a game.
     

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