Would you give up Batum to get Rondo?

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Batum and Felton for Rondo?

  1. Yes please!

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  2. No thanks.

    15 vote(s)
    30.6%
  1. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    Chris Paul had the best PER in the playoffs of any player, I believe. He was easily the best player in the Lakers-NOH series - and it wasn't close.
    But the only reason those other players are being included is because Rondo earns way less than Paul. And one of the reasons NOH doesn't want to do it is because those other players are just dead weight. (If the picks were for in about 3 years, they'd be lottery picks. But of course, the Hornets might not even exist then.)
     
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    Batum isn't near enough value to get Rondo. Rondo playing with scrubs may not be so great, but on another team, he'd be passing to starters, too. Rondo's assists are amazing because he doesn't dominate the ball like many other PGs do. Pierce plays a lot of point forward.

    What the stats don't measure is his defense.

    He can't shoot, but he can score in the paint. Really well for a small guy.

    Boston might consider trading him because their bench isn't very good, the big three are well past their primes, and Rondo has enough trade value to bring eventual replacements for those three.
     
  3. Rastapopoulos

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    Maybe not. But then again, I would've said that Telfair wasn't near enough value to get Boston's draft pick...

    And a lot of people really like Batum. Including the San Antonio Spurs, who know quality.

    Hey, I'm a huge Rondo fan. But he can be abused, because he's small. He's very fast and pesty and gets lots of steals, but somebody like Andre Miller can abuse him in the post. So he's not good at every aspect of defense.

    Agreed. And while teams know this and sag WAY off him, he manages to get there anyway.

    Um - you're not going to get more than (at best) a replacement for ONE of them. People quickly forget how fucking good each one of them was. Who's the "least" of the three? Ray Allen? He carried a Seattle team practically single-handedly deep into the playoffs and has one of the purest shots of all time, and good enough hops to compete in the slam dunk contest. He's gone mano-a-mano with Kobe Bryant and not been embarrassed.

    Rondo's like a Dennis Rodman. Amazing player, but has to be in the right environment that can accentuate his positives and hide his flaws.
     
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    I don't at all suggest Boston is going to find 3 HOF caliber replacements, but there's a HUGE drop off from those three to their backups.

    Trading Rondo to get players that are significant upgrades over Marquis Daniels and Jermaine O'Neal, and a starter to replace Rondo is how they can rebuild on the fly.
     
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    I would trade Batum and Felton plus a pick. This trade works financially. Then I would dump Camby - taking a huge risk that Roy will pan out - and figure out how to land Nene:

    Rondo
    Roy
    Wallace
    LMA
    Nene

    Strong defensive team to surround Roy's lack of defense.
    And if Oden can work his way back - we have something special.

    Then if we could somehow pick up JJ Beraera (sp?) to add depth at PG and excitement off the bench.....
     
  6. Rastapopoulos

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    *bump*

    I suggested this before Felton TOTALLY DESTROYED ALL VALUE HE MIGHT HAVE HAD, but Boston has actually played better without Rondo than with him (I believe) and if they did this trade they would have even more cap room. Effectively it would be Rondo for Batum (who has managed to increase his value, I would have thought) plus cap room. And if the Celtics can win without Rondo, then they should be able to do it without Rondo but with Batum.

    We could throw in the rights to Freeland, and let Danny Ainge deal with his buyout with Malaga.

    [I remember that a major criticism of Rondo was that he can't shoot. Let's compare, shall we:

    Code:
       Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
     2 rondo,rajon       PG 21 37.3  126  256 .492   4  16 .250   64  105 .610 15.2
     6 felton,raymond    PG 30 32.9  113  314 .360  21 102 .206   51   64 .797  9.9
     
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    I dont see boston moving rondo for basically batum, but id love rondo and lma together
     
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    It would be Miller time again. As with Andre, Rondo would have to learn Nate's system before starting. Meanwhile Felton would start for the first year until Rondo popped McMillan one in the eyebrow.
     
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  10. Rastapopoulos

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    This is sort of funny in retrospect:

    And then he signed.

    And now we're not sure we're glad he did.
     
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    Check out the poll results. No matter what it might look like, he's their best player, and I would love to get him to pair with LA for the next 5-10 years.
     
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    err batum would be out that door in a heartbeat
     
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    Yes if they would be suckered to take Felton too! Lol
     
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    All right all right - we'll throw in Oden! AND Nolan Smith - now Rivers' son is a Duke, that's got to count for something, right?
     
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    If Crawford was put in his wheelhouse, as a gunner of the bench who can be a closer on his "on" nights, then we would be much happier with him this year. We are asking him to be more than what he is. Aka - setting him up to fail.

    Getting Crawford on the cheap for a 1 year committment isn't anything to be all that regretful about.

    The Blazer's problems run way deeper than that. What appeared pre-season to be an ok 3 guard rotation has turned out to be an unmitigated, Titanic sized disaster.

    Pre-season, having 3 solid, proven, rotation guards to play mostly supporting roles to our awesome forward group of LaMarcus, Wallance and Batum, seemed like it should work out fine. And, if we got the best shown in the past out of each of the 3 guards, it would have been more than fine.

    Instead we are getting an off year from Matthews - particularly on the offensive end, where we need him to step up the most;

    an off year from Crawford - particularly his shooting percentages are below career numbers;

    a career worst performance from Felton. He can't do anything right. His numbers are absurdly bad - even for his previous worst season's - who may be playing himself out of the NBA. How did we get so lucky? What the hell is going on? Don't know?

    The Blazers set this team up with a poor group of backups, so there is no where to turn. The lack of shooting confidence among our guard group seems to be feeding on itself, and due to scouting, has lately made it easy for our team to be defended: let their guards prove they can hit open jumpers so you can clog the driving lanes and keep close to the front-line players.

    I think the far more consequential decision for the Blazers was the seemingly smart move to to swap an old but quality PG for an inferior but younger PG - coupled with the inability to obtain a quality backup.

    Forget Crawford - Felton is so bad he is dragging this franchise to the precipice of an implosion. It is painful and depressing to watch as a fan.
     
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    couldn't disagree with you more. I'd do a Wes Felton Wallace 4 Rondo deal in a heartbeat. Unless RR is known to be a complete cancer to a team, I fail to see what would be Boston's motivation. RR is the best player of the 4 and he's all of 25 years old.

    STOMP
     
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    This poll should be 46-0 in favor of yes
     
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    bahaha

    This forum and their young Blazers
     
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    lol, touche
     

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