Inconceivable Truth: Does science has an agenda?

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  1. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Why yes, I did know that! Blue Green algae is what I want to see, but i think the oil companies don't want it mass produced.
     
  2. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    They'd be really stupid not to. It's cheaper to make than drilling for oil and refining it.
     
  3. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    Complete fiction.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Your post is.
     
  5. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    I've read that he originally wrote it as the "military-industrial-congressional complex" and another claim that it was the "military-industrial-academic complex" so it's easy to scratch your head and say, "which one was it?" It's all hearsay at this point since there is no evidence aside from what Eisenhower actually wrote.

    I don't believe we have a military-industrial-scientific complex. Politicians seem to meddle in science more than science meddles in politics. Also, we'd live in a vastly different society if scientists had any sort of actual power in this country.
     
  6. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    But what if the technology becomes as simply mainstream as keeping a pond in your backyard that you skim every day? What about all of the money invested already in the land and machinery?
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    Beware!
     
  8. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Okay I'm going to let you pick my brain. This is a project I've been working on for the past 8 years. It's a tough sell, but personally I think it's an awesome recycling program. I will tell you the players, just because I doubt any of you would compete with my company.

    a 1 acre raceway (think of it like a shrimp farm race way that is 3 feet deep) of Blue Algae in normal conditions can produce more protein in a 6 month cycle then 1,000 acres of corn. The footprint is quite small. This program would be set within a pig farm community.

    We have a methane reactor system in Iowia, using 1 pig finishing facility (2,000 pigs per building X 4 buildings = 8,000 pigs). Those pigs generate 1.7 gallons of manure per day through a normal turn (finishing stages 60 lbs - 200 lbs or 45 days). There are 2.5 turns per year. That generates roughly 900,000 gallons of pig shit. The anaerobic digester will produce about 1 gigawatt of electricity everyday for 300 days of the year. The problem with pig manure is its unstability. The manure can't be bottled because it expands so farmers must pay to get this manure out of their farm. Most pig farmers have huge amounts of corn farms; because they can plow in the pig manure in the fall. But because of the salt index getting too high; they must lower their manure injection about 15% per year. The rest must be paid to be disposed of.

    Then the byproduct of the digested pig shit is put into a aerobic settling pond and treated by our products to form liquid stabilized organic fertilizer. There is a huge amount of CO2 that is produced through this process. We have this settling pond isolated indoors; so we can trap the CO2 and inject it into an outdoor Blue Algae pond; which will increase the production 10 fold. You must extract the Algae everyday, because at night the algae dies from lack of oxygen.

    A daily skimmer automatically skims the algae; which is passed through a filter. The left over water from the filtration is recycled to the aerobic processed manure; so we won't need more water to add powdered ingredients to the process. The amount of Algae created would create more ethanol than 10,000 acres of corn; while producing well over 1 gigawatt of electricity to the surrounding farm community. The community co-ops electrical farm equipment and donates the excess manure to the cause. Basically farmers lower their costs, produces electricity; which generates more income; has viable fertilizer to sale out of the community; and can ship out the algae to refining companies to produce ethanol.

    So for this farming community, they have 5 revenue streams.

    1.) Selling the electricity back to the grid

    2.) Selling the pigs for food

    3.) Selling the corn grown from the pig shit

    4.) Selling the stabilize liquid pig shit as fertilizer

    5.) Selling the Blue Algae to the oil refinement companies to process alternative fuel.

    TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION:
    Now if the oil companies were smart; they would pay a premium for this algae and "co-op" other farms like tyson does with their chickens. Basically the model is: We supply the protocol, the seeds or program and every month, we pick up your algae for "x" price per ton. So even the ma and pa farms can still sell their algae and make a decent profit too.
     
  9. Eastoff

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    I like it a lot!
     
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  11. magnifier661

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    Thanks. We have a bunch of recycling programs. That is one I like a lot
     
  12. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Well push that stuff Mags! I want to hear about it in the news, not on a blazers forum. ;]
     
  13. magnifier661

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    You have no idea the cost of these programs. We tried using the "Gate's foundation" for a grant on this program, but they put their efforts in feeding Africa. I'm hoping for some epic sales to fund this project. It's about 100 mil to really get it going. The refining equipment for Algae is roughly 5 mil alone. The property, professional staff, research equipment, paying a farming coop, methane producing generators are all very expensive. Also, we need to find the sales to purchase the fertilizer as well. 2.5 million gallons of fertilizer is a lot to sell. LOL
     
  14. Eastoff

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    I would seriously try to contact T Boon Picken's people. If it's profitable and discourages foreign oil usage, I think you could convince his people.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I won't speak for Science his self, but I can state unequivocally that I don't has an agenda when I do science.
     
  16. bluefrog

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    Did you see the recent study in Nature about sea level rise? Recent contributions of glaciers and ice caps to sea level rise

    You had written that you worked in this field.

    A lot of the news I saw focused on the Himalayan glaciers but I thought it was amazing how they used satellites to measure the amount glaciers contribute to sea level rise.

    How big is the part of glacier melt in sea level rise compared to the thermal expansion of the oceans?
     
  17. Denny Crane

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    1/2 to 2/3. The answer to your question.
     
  18. bluefrog

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    Thanks Denny. That's more than I was thinking.
     
  19. Denny Crane

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    The projections by the alarmists don't make a lot of sense to me.

    The sea rise is barely noticeable. I live near the beach, and the water level isn't any closer to the boardwalk than it was 40 years ago.

    The Nature paper gives a fairly broad range of sea level rise. Low estimate of 1mm, high of 1.5mm.

    The IPCC talks about many feet of sea level rise over the next 90 years.

    Let's do some math. A meter is about 39 inches. Call it a yard. At 2mm rise a year, it would take 500 years for the levels to rise a meter.

    Cheers.
     

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