The D'Antoni effect

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  1. magnifier661

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    I'm sorry but if Nash is giving us 14-15 PPG, shotting 46% FG and 40% from three; while dishing 10+ assists a game; then he more than deserves 10 mil per.
     
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    For a 38 year old point guard who we've yet to see in our system with our team and our coach? Yes, that's a risky investment.
     
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    Nash was just as good in his final three seasons in Dallas. Who cares about where he got his MVP hype? In terms of actual performance, he was as good before D'Antoni as after.
     
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    What if he is only putting up 14 ppg and 8 assists per game? Is that worth 10 mil per year? Do you think he's making an All-Star game with those numbers?
     
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    His last season in Dallas wasn't nearly as good as his years in Phoenix. That's probably why Cuban let him go.
     
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    who gives a shit if he makes the all star game? Does it matter?
     
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    When one person asks if 30/3 is worth it for an All-Star player and another person posts some projected stats for Nash as a Blazer asking if that would be worthwhile, then yes I'm going to mention the All-Star game.
     
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    gotcha. Well, pretty sure he can not extend, so we'd seehow he does here before offering 3/30 anyways.
     
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    Making the allstar game, and playing at an allstar level are two separate things. Aldridge played at an allstar level last season, but didn't make the allstar game. Nash would be a Godsend to Aldridge. Aldridge would have more room in the paint and our team would have one of the best minds in the game today.

    Look at how CP3 made the Clippers so much better. And he is only averaging 8.5 assists per game. Go figure.
     
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    But the only way to see if he would be worth a 30/3 is by trading for him and if that requires dealing away Batum, it just doesn't seem worth it.
     
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    Nash put up a 20.5 PER, with fantastic scoring efficiency and assist percentage, in his usual minutes per game. Cuban's already admitted it was a terrible mistake to let Nash depart.
     
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    me and just about everyone else agrees with you.
     
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    You're getting caught up in semantics. It doesn't matter whether a player goes to the All Star game...what matters is if he is All Star caliber. Basically every year since 2000 has been All Star caliber, though a few are borderline.
     
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    He gets the most out of his players.

    Ah, to have a coach with more than one play.
     
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    14 ppg and 8 assists per game would not be playing at an All-Star level if those were the kind of numbers he put up with us. Paul is averaging 19.5, 8.5 and 2.2 steals. Those are All-Star numbers.
     
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    No way we trade Nash for Batum. Don't believe the rumors. But if we can get him for pieces like Wallace, Felton, Matthews, Thomas, E Will, and or Thomas; then why not. If we can't, then C'est la vie.
     
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    Well that's good because Nash is averaging 10+ assists per game and 14.5 PPG, shooting at 54% and 40% from three. This year. The year that matters, the year on a shitty team and not in a D' Antoni system like you've mentioned.
     
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    and, at the exact same pace we currently run.
     
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    I didn't say he wasn't All-Star caliber. I said that D'Antoni's system made him better. In the other thread I actually said that he went from a borderline All-Star player to an MVP caliber player. That has really been my contention all along is that the SSOL system, the D'Antoni system, has made Nash better. It made him better than he was in Dallas, and I think it has made him better than he would be in Portland. That's why I listed Felton's stats, just as a point to show that the system makes players better. I'm not saying Nash is a bad player. I'm not saying he wasn't an All-Star caliber player. I'm saying his stats were inflated. He went from an All-Star to an MVP. If he is brought to Portland, will he go from an All-Star to an average starter?
     
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    But we aren't asking for MVP Nash. We want the great shooting, good leader, awesome assist getting Nash that is currently in the NBA.
     

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