Steve Nash: Trade to Portland would be a "terrific situation"

Yes he is as long as we don't give up Batum.

 

Yeah, he won't perform the same under Nate as he did under D'Antoni when he was 32. Is he still a very good outside shooter, GREAT in the pick and roll, and someone who can get us 15 and 8? Absolutely?

i wouldn't give up Batum for him, but I'm not sure what the pointis of saying Nash won't put up the same stats as he did under D'Antoni. Obviously. But he isn't a product of D'Antoni's system, and complete garbage elsewhere. He was a great PG before, and a great one after Mike.

 

He was not "a great point guard" before D'Antoni. He put up All-Star quality numbers in Dallas, but not the MVP numbers that he did in Phoenix.

 

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We just need "all-star" Nash, we don't need (or expect) "MVP" Nash.

It's all just raw numbers anyways. Nash has been more or less the same his entire tenure in Phoenix. Being picky over small changes in raw stats is just stupid.

 

ok. Still not sure what your point is, then. I'd be happy with a PG who can give us 15 and 9, run a great pick and roll, and shoot 40% from 3.

 

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_nash/career_stats.html

Okay look at his stats page. What jumps out at you? Since 1999; Nash has never averaged lower than 46.5% from the field and shot less than 39% from 3. That is amazing!!!!

Then you look at his assists; which has been over 10 all but 08/09, ironically when Amare was injured for the full season.

I just don't know why you have such an issue with Nash? He is 100 times better than Felton and seriously better than Miller. Yikes Nate! What gives man?

 

There's three different arguments in the last few pages of this thread. I started posting about whether Nash would have meant more championships in Dallas if he had stayed. That's why this began...

So, to recap, my points are:

1. I don't believe Nash staying in Dallas would have translated to more championships for the Mavs.

2. Nash plays better in the up-tempo system in Phoenix (which is what I was trying to show with the stats that I listed.)

3. I don't think Nash plays as well in Portland because of our system.

4. I don't want to give up Batum or a large chunk of our cap space to get a 38 year old point guard who may or may not perform well under our coach and our system.

Clear enough for you?

 

The assist HAVE ALL COME WHILE IN PHOENIX.

I don't have an issue with Nash. This thread is devoted to Nash. I'm discussing Nash in a Nash thread. I don't know why you keep comparing him to Felton... who is saying Felton is better than Nash?

I have an issue with trading our 23 year old talented wing for a 38 year old point guard.

 

Because I would rather have Nash than Felton. What do you think?

And the assists all coming from Phoenix is crazy talk. His prime years were in Phoenix! That's like comparing Jermaine Oneal saying he isn't good because his good years were in Indiana. LOL

 

great. I think only one person really wanted to give up Batum for him.

 

You won't have Felton after this year, so it's a non-issue. After this season, there's a good chance that Felton, Wallace, Crawford, and Camby will all be gone.

 

Then 10 mil means nothing! Felton is making 7.8 mil; so why worry? You take away Felton and Crawford, and that equals less than Nash's going rate. Do you think Nash is worth more than Felton and Crawford?

 

I think the 14 million in available cap space is worth more than Felton, Crawford, and 38 year old Steve Nash.

I think a max contract in the NBA is 14.5 million per year. If we let all our free agents walk we can almost have enough free space to offer two max contracts this summer. That's an extremely valuable commodity.

 

Christ who are we going to get for a max contract? Deron Williams? Dude that's a pipe dream. Howard? Yeah no chance on that. The other free agents available aren't worth max other than those two.

 

I think Deron Williams is much more attainable than you might think. Dwight would never happen. I'm not sure who else is available, but I would make a serious push for Deron Williams. And if that doesn't work out, the cap space can be used to make lopsided trades.

 

Stein: Blazers "Trying Hard" To Trade For Suns G Steve Nash
Marc Stein of ESPN.com reports that the Portland Trail Blazers are "trying hard" to trade for Phoenix Suns All-Star guard Steve Nash and have been pursuing him "for a while."
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Said another: "Because of his age and because he can leave in the summer, offers for Nash haven't been as star-laden as you'd think."

Yet even if the Blazers were willing to include the widely coveted Nicolas Batum in a package for Nash -- which is a matter of debate depending on who's doing the gossiping -- sources say Phoenix continues to put out the message that it won't deal Nash unless Nash asks to be traded. Which is something Nash has consistently said he won't do.

 

That wasn't the original question. Now you've built a strawman.

a) 10 years of making the playoffs, with a very low probability of winning the title and likely 1st round exits
b) make the finals this year and miss the playoffs for the following 9 years.

I'll take (a) every time.

 

Actually, it was the original statement:

 

D'antoni's unique system certainly was a factor.

But, one just as large in many commenters views (mine included) is the difference between Amare (in Phoenix) and Dirk.

Amare was one of the best pick and roll PF's in a long time, and the way he played the pick and roll with Nash maximized assists numbers because Nash waiting to deliver the pass until Amare was close to the hoop and Amare finished strong most of the time. Scorekeepers always give that an assist.

Dirk is much slower and often makes moves and jukes, etc. And in Dallas many many plays for Dirk are iso plays. No assist for the PG.

Jason Kidd's assist numbers and assist percentages are down since going to Dallas, and he never ran SSOL.

 

They aren't trading Nash!