<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 22 2006, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you joking BCB about Peja? He was an MVP candidate a few years ago averaging 25 ppg. He is obviously past his prime if he is not doing that now...I never said that he was a bad player or anything but his prime was passed about 2 seasons ago.</div> He's not even 30 years old yet...my lord...His numbers were bloated in Sacramento because he played on a very good passing team where he got open shots. Now he's more of the focus and his percentages are dropping, he's not declining skill wise, we are just seeing the real Predrag Stojakovic, your looking purely at the numbers and not the reason behind them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 22 2006, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's not even 30 years old yet...my lord...His numbers were bloated in Sacramento because he played on a very good passing team where he got open shots. Now he's more of the focus and his percentages are dropping, he's not declining skill wise, we are just seeing the real Predrag Stojakovic, your looking purely at the numbers and not the reason behind them.</div>no, i am looking at how good he was a couple of years ago to how good he is now. Even two years after his MVP type season, when he was still in Sac, the team was the same and he wasnt doing nearly as well. The atmosphere was the same and he was declining.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (theaftermath770 @ Jul 22 2006, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>mcydyess was a beast untill his injury and better then bosh but he hasnt got starter mins since he's in for a better season then last year also stephon marbury and steve francis arent past there prim they still produce and shaq gets 8 less shots then he did so had at least 8 points he still be a beast in LA</div>How the hell are you gonna try and make people believe these things you just said? Mcdyess has never been as good as Bosh is right now even before his injury. Also Shaq is obviously out of his prime buddy. The guys numbers are all going down. If he was still in his prime then he would be Miami's main option not Wade. The Heat aren't putting Wade as their first option for no reason. Shaq is clearly declining especially on offense.
chris bosh highs are 22 and 9 mcdyess avereged 21 12 2 blocks shooting 50 % and that year denver went to the playoffs he played less mins then bosh too a and had to other scorers on his team
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 22 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>no, i am looking at how good he was a couple of years ago to how good he is now. Even two years after his MVP type season, when he was still in Sac, the team was the same and he wasnt doing nearly as well. The atmosphere was the same and he was declining.</div> In 2004 he had injury problems and still averaged 20ppg...the next year he played 30 games and was hurt all year...so...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (theaftermath770 @ Jul 22 2006, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>chris bosh highs are 22 and 9 mcdyess avereged 21 12 2 blocks shooting 50 % and that year denver went to the playoffs he played less mins then bosh too a and had to other scorers on his team</div>First off don't even try and use a season where he missed almost half of the season. Not only that but those weren't his actual averages. They were 21 ppg, close to 10.5 rpg, 2 bpg, and 47% shooting which isn't a very good % for a PF. Not to mention that when he averaged those numbers he was 3 years older than Bosh is now. When he was Bosh's age he averaged 18 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.5 bpg, and 46% shooting. Nice try but the arguement you just gave was weak.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (theaftermath770 @ Jul 22 2006, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>chris bosh highs are 22 and 9 mcdyess avereged 21 12 2 blocks shooting 50 % and that year denver went to the playoffs he played less mins then bosh too a and had to other scorers on his team</div>Bosh also wont get injured and screw up his career like Dice did..Bosh is a superstar. He is 22 and averaging 22 and 9. Dont make it sound like he will be going downhill from here.
I like bosh but he's not a superstar yet your not a superstar until you get your team to the playoffs atleast once also you never no what could happen zac randolf put chris bosh numbers up and now he's went down hill anything can happen even no i hope bosh forces a trade and becomes a hall of famer else where
Wow, I guess Lebron wasnt a superstar in 04-05 when he averaged 27, 7 and 7 then Your a dumbass. Chris Bosh is not Zach Randolph, and he may not be a superstar yet but he is an all star in this league. Zach Randolph doesnt have the all around offensive skills as Chris, and also he has a poor work ethic. Stop comparing Chris Bosh to all these PF's that failed. It's not fair. Chris Bosh puts up great numbers at the age of 22, why should he be criticized. He now has a good supporting around him, and a good GM making moves upstairs. No where but up baby!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 22 2006, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In 2004 he had injury problems and still averaged 20ppg...the next year he played 30 games and was hurt all year...so...</div>dont you think that those are indications that he is past his prime though? He has been injured numererous times and he used to be an MVP candidate. Do you see him being an MVP candidate again...?
Jerry StackhouseZydrunas IlgauskasP.J. BrownRasheed WallaceJason KiddMarcus CambyDamon StoudamireAnd how is Ginobili past his prime he has played in the NBA for only 3 years and he is 29 years old hes still got at least 2 more years left in his prime.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (theaftermath770 @ Jul 22 2006, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like bosh but he's not a superstar yet your not a superstar until you get your team to the playoffs atleast once also you never no what could happen zac randolf put chris bosh numbers up and now he's went down hill anything can happen even no i hope bosh forces a trade and becomes a hall of famer else where</div>Seriously dude, Do you got a crappy education or something? My god. Anyways, I also agree with JRICH23's post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 22 2006, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, I guess Lebron wasnt a superstar in 04-05 when he averaged 27, 7 and 7 then Your a dumbass. Chris Bosh is not Zach Randolph, and he may not be a superstar yet but he is an all star in this league. Zach Randolph doesnt have the all around offensive skills as Chris, and also he has a poor work ethic. Stop comparing Chris Bosh to all these PF's that failed. It's not fair. Chris Bosh puts up great numbers at the age of 22, why should he be criticized. He now has a good supporting around him, and a good GM making moves upstairs. No where but up baby!</div>Chris Bosh is not a superstar yet. He's great and all and probably will become a superstar but when you're talking about superstars, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, LeBron, Wade, McGrady and Nash come to mind. He doesn't have the level of a "superstar" when it comes to post moves.BCB, Vince Carter is at the peak of his prime.He will not be as good as he was earlier after 2 seasons.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont you think that those are indications that he is past his prime though? He has been injured numererous times and he used to be an MVP candidate. Do you see him being an MVP candidate again...?</div> First off he was hardly an MVP candidate, he had a good year but he was never in contention. Every player has a few injuries...Peja's game is based off his shooting and size advantage...his game is not based on speed/athletic ability...etc...so being 29...it's hard for me to believe he's past his prime.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 23 2006, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off he was hardly an MVP candidate, he had a good year but he was never in contention. Every player has a few injuries...Peja's game is based off his shooting and size advantage...his game is not based on speed/athletic ability...etc...so being 29...it's hard for me to believe he's past his prime.</div>he was 2nd team All NBA in the 2003/2004 NBA season were he averaged over 24 points a game. Its even harder for me to believe that he will ever be able to do that again. He isn't going to get near as many shot attempts with Al Harrington being added to the squad so yes, he is definatley past his primeAnd Peja has more injuries than the average player...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he was 2nd team All NBA in the 2003/2004 NBA season were he averaged over 24 points a game. Its even harder for me to believe that he will ever be able to do that again. He isn't going to get near as many shot attempts with Al Harrington being added to the squad so yes, he is definatley past his primeAnd Peja has more injuries than the average player...</div>You forgot Peja was traded to NO huh? He's in a situation now where he will be getting plenty of shots.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 23 2006, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You forgot Peja was traded to NO huh? He's in a situation now where he will be getting plenty of shots.</div>o jesus....i dont know how i forgot that. hahahah thats kinda embarassingEven with him being in New Orleans, he isnt going to be the kind of player that will be 2nd Team All NBA averaging 24 a game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>o jesus....i dont know how i forgot that. hahahah thats kinda embarassing</div>lol it's ok. I forgot about it until today. I think not as many people are rememberign about it any more since it's old news now.
