my opinion is that people should be able to because research shows people buy the albums they like after they download it for a sneak preview..if the artists dont sell it's their fault for making an awful album or they have bad promotion
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 23 2006, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my opinion is that people should be able to because research shows people buy the albums they like after they download it for a sneak preview..if the artists dont sell it's their fault for making an awful album or they have bad promotion</div> It's just like anything else, you should have to pay for it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 23 2006, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my opinion is that people should be able to because research shows people buy the albums they like after they download it for a sneak preview..if the artists dont sell it's their fault for making an awful album or they have bad promotion</div>How is it bad promotion if the artist doesn't sell? In this day and age, with all the access to illegal downloading and what not, artists lose money and sales just because people download the full album off the internet before the album is even publicly released. I agree though, if the album truly is really great, then a lot of people will still go out and buy it. The artists are at a disadvantage.In a perfect world, you would have to pay for downloading music from the internet, but there is ALWAYS a way to get it for free.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 23 2006, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's just like anything else, you should have to pay for it.</div>then they shouldnt allow it to be so easily accessed. You can do it out of your home and 99 percent of the time you dont get caught....Why wouldnt you do it? Especially when the majority of soceity probably doesnt even view it as a bad thing to do.Im not saying this is the right thing to do considering you are cheating the artists out of money but its the smart thing to for the person getting it for free off of the interent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>then they shouldnt allow it to be so easily accessed. You can do it out of your home and 99 percent of the time you dont get caught....</div>How do you expect anyone to regulate it? Hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, are downloading stuff for free. It is impossible to shut down peer to peer, and it's difficult to shut down irc downloading or torrents. Even if they take thousands of people to court, that's just a drop in the bucket.It is illegal just like anything else, whether or not the people think it's okay or not. A lot of people think drinking under 21 or smoking weed is okay. That doesn't change the fact that the government has reasons for making those things illegal.That said, if you feel like you can get away with it, fine. I do it. But don't come back when you get sued and whine about how it should be legal. Take responsibility for your actions.
I do it and I don't feel any regret when mI do it. Things like Movies, songs, etc. are getting pretty damn expensive these days and if there is a way to get it all free I'm gonna do it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 23 2006, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How do you expect anyone to regulate it? Hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, are downloading stuff for free. It is impossible to shut down peer to peer, and it's difficult to shut down irc downloading or torrents. Even if they take thousands of people to court, that's just a drop in the bucket.It is illegal just like anything else, whether or not the people think it's okay or not. A lot of people think drinking under 21 or smoking weed is okay. That doesn't change the fact that the government has reasons for making those things illegal.That said, if you feel like you can get away with it, fine. I do it. But don't come back when you get sued and whine about how it should be legal. Take responsibility for your actions.</div>you just said that you do it so dont letcture me buddy...dont feel like you are superior to me when i have downloaded probably 1000 songs at the very maximum my whole life.dont come back here complaining saying that it should be legal give me a break
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you just said that you do it so dont letcture me buddy...dont feel like you are superior to me when i have downloaded probably 1000 songs at the very maximum my whole life.dont come back here complaining saying that it should be legal give me a break</div>Uh, I wasn't lecturing you or trying to act superior to anyone. I didn't say anyone shouldn't download illegally. In fact, what I said was nearly an encouragement for illegal downloading. If you had actually read what I said, you'd realize I was only making logical points. There was no moral or ethical argument involved at all. Oh well, not everyone can comprehend simple arguments, I guess. Now can you please address how anyone is supposed to effectively regulate illegal downloading? Another thing I would like to know is why anyone thinks it should be legal to download whatever you want for free.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 23 2006, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But don't come back when you get sued and whine about how it should be legal. Take responsibility for your actions.</div>That isnt lecturing? I guess that i just have problems comprehending simple arguements..... Would you honestly say that "take responsibilites for your actions" has no moral meaning? I think that you are the one that isnt reading ur posts carefully enough.They can get rid of the major websites that allow you to download for free.....such as bearshare, sheraza, and all of the other major downloading sites. Did you know that the government has the power to do that! :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They can get rid of the major websites that allow you to download for free.....such as bearshare, sheraza, and all of the other major downloading sites. Did you know that the government has the power to do that! :happy0144:</div>And did you know there are hundreds and thousands of ways to illegally get music, movies, software, games, etc. for free over the internet? It is IMPOSSIBLE to shut down and/or regulate that industry. Even if they get rid of some "big" peer-to-peer software, torrents, etc., there will just be more and more popping up to take their place. It is a never-ending, unstoppable cycle.
Artists make a very small percentage of album sales, they get paid to make the album, im pretty sure they only get like a quarter for every album sold. Its the record execs who set CD prices at around 18 bucks each who make the most profits
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace_o_spades @ Jul 23 2006, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Artists make a very small percentage of album sales, they get paid to make the album, im pretty sure they only get like a quarter for every album sold. Its the record execs who set CD prices at around 18 bucks each who make the most profits</div>That's right, but the artists get bonuses and what not depending on how many units they move. I doubt it's a quarter per album (I know you probably just threw that out there or what not), but that still adds up... .25 times 1 million copies sold... that's $250,000 right there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That isnt lecturing? I guess that i just have problems comprehending simple arguements..... Would you honestly say that "take responsibilites for your actions" has no moral meaning? I think that you are the one that isnt reading ur posts carefully enough.They can get rid of the major websites that allow you to download for free.....such as bearshare, sheraza, and all of the other major downloading sites. Did you know that the government has the power to do that! :happy0144:</div>HAHAHAHAHA OH MAN YOU ARE CLASSY.First of all, I said I wasn't lecturing <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><u><span style="font-family:System">YOU</span></u></span>. I made a point that a person should feel free to stand up for what they believe in, but also take responsibility. Yes, it is an issue of morality, but not a moral argument. A moral argument would be, for example, "You should not steal music, because stealing is wrong." I made a general point, not an argument, that people should take responsibility for their actions. I don't think anyone is arguing about that at all. It is not a statement of evidence used to support a claim, therefore no, it's not an argument.It's nice to say, okay, just shut them down, but like I said, YOU CAN'T. The fact that you think they can just shut them down shows how little you know about this. There so many reasons you can't shut down peer to peer software.Bearshare and Shareaza aren't websites, that's the point. You can't "shut them down." Okay, right now you are looking at a website. You access a server to post on this forum. I access a server to post on this forum. The difference with Bearshare, Shareaza, Kazaa, Morpheus, etc., is that you do not access a server at all. Ever. The list of songs, videos, yadda yadda, is channeled through what is called a supernode. A supernode is just a user's computer that someone volunteered to be a supernode. The list contains those songs and whatever and from whom you can download those particular files. When you click on a file to download, you connect directly to another persons computer who has the file you want. There is no intermediate. There is no website, server, etc. So you cannot just shut it down. For it to be discontinued, you would have to uninstall it from every person's computer. How do you suggest they do that?Also, Bearshare and all those other peer to peer programs aren't inherently illegal. You can copy copyrighted books using a Xerox machine, yet the government isn't looking to shut down Xerox. Do you understand why? You see, the companies/organizations that make these programs aren't really doing anything illegal. Only the people who use the software are.Finally, you seem to assume that the government can just walk into a building and do whatever they want. That's not really true at all. Some of the groups that make these programs aren't in America. Do you think we're going to invade someone's territory to shut some website (in the case of torrents), server (in the case of irc), or programming group down? Hell no, that's stupid. They can't even do that in America, either. They still have to go through a legal process to make someone do what they want. A lot of times that process is too long to be worth going through.Really, why do you bother getting involved in a discussion you know nothing about?
I dont use P2P programs, but I download all my reggaeton songs from people who host it and post it at a forum I go to. I barely know anybody who buys the cds...almost everybody I know uses limewire.
damn this turned out to be a good topic to argue about..im likin thiskeep it upanyway..yeah i download music..thats it tho..i dont really like to buy movies because you only watch it one time then you never watch it again..i just wait for them to come on TV..but yeah..i heard Obie Trice's album today..i really enjoyed it..so now when it drops im going to buy it..that makes downloading it legal..people shouldnt be worried about downloading..there's bigger problems in the world than "cheating an artist out of money" when the artists on the major labels barely make a dime off sales..all their money comes from the work put into the album not the people who buy it
Downloading music is bad and it's the reason why good music today is hard to access, because crap is what sells the best like cash hoes, and talking about how your life sucks.I'd definetly have to side with the artists and the music industry on this one. I mean can't you "preview" the music on itunes or at the store?I think theres 2 reasons why someone wouldnt want to go out and buy CDs, or go on itunes and pay 99 cents for a song.1. They're parents won't take them to the store, or their parents won't give them their credit card.2. And the big one, they don't want to pay. If you enjoy an artist please support them.You're not getting back at the man or anyone.
^^ what im saying though is..the people who download and then go to buy the CD later are doing the right thing..supporting their favorite artists...to me it feels a lot better to have the actual copy in your hand but seriously on a tiny budget $14.99 for a CD you dont know much about is a bit ridiculous..that's why i only buy good albums..why should i pay 15 bucks for some trash? if the artist isnt gunna put money into make a good album why should i give them and their label money out of my broke pocket?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 23 2006, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^^ what im saying though is..the people who download and then go to buy the CD later are doing the right thing..supporting their favorite artists...to me it feels a lot better to have the actual copy in your hand but seriously on a tiny budget $14.99 for a CD you dont know much about is a bit ridiculous..that's why i only buy good albums..why should i pay 15 bucks for some trash? if the artist isnt gunna put money into make a good album why should i give them and their label money out of my broke pocket?</div>I understand that you preview then buy that's great. But I'm just saying if you download then keep listening to the download and you like it but don't buy the CD that's where you're going wrong IMO.If it's trash don't download it or delete it once you found out it's trash.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 23 2006, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my opinion is that people should be able to because research shows people buy the albums they like after they download it for a sneak preview</div> You mean to tell me that after you/people download an album to their computer.. they go to Best Buy and purchase the cd if they like it? Haha I don't think so. Is internet downloading right? No Do I do it? Yes, and so do like 98% of people I mean it's wrong, and the artists lose money, and maybe I would feel more strongly about it if I was an artist. But the fact of the matter is, you can call it "illegal" all you want, people will find a way to get it anyway.
