Re: your team's scapegoat? Smush Parker-If he could've just played mediocre in the Suns series the Lakers would've won, but he wouldn't even attempt a shot.
Re: your team's scapegoat? Lamar odom used to be my scapegot before the allstar break, then it was smush "no defense" parker.
Re: your team's scapegoat? The Spurs really dont have a skapegoat in one particular player. If it would be anybody, i guess it would be Brent Barry. He is a poor defender and he can only shoot. There really is nobody else to put there....
Re: your team's scapegoat? Scapegoat is the player that does the dirty work, thats what I thought it was, but I saw others post the players that screwed a team over.
Re: your team's scapegoat? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jul 25 2006, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Scapegoat is the player that does the dirty work, thats what I thought it was, but I saw others post the players that screwed a team over.</div> No...."scapegoat: someone punished for the errors of others "
Re: your team's scapegoat? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jul 25 2006, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Scapegoat is the player that does the dirty work, thats what I thought it was, but I saw others post the players that screwed a team over.</div>I thought a scapegoat is the one that, when things go wrong, all the blame is placed on them.
Re: your team's scapegoat? Tyronn Lue and Josh Childress..Childress just sucks, and I don't think he really ever did anything to help the team on O or D..Lue took alot of shots it seemed liek, and him being the PG on the floor alot, he was supposed to be distrubuting the ball..
Re: your team's scapegoat? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 25 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyronn Lue and Josh Childress..Childress just sucks, and I don't think he really ever did anything to help the team on O or D..Lue took alot of shots it seemed liek, and him being the PG on the floor alot, he was supposed to be distrubuting the ball..</div> I don't see how either are scapegoats. Nobody blames them for anything....Sure they aren't great but doesn't mean they are scapegoats.
Re: your team's scapegoat? McGrady...for getting injured and starting a landslide of other injuries last season. And I'm guessing that Battier will become a scapegoat this season, because almost no one liked the Rudy Gay trade, and if Gay does well, he'll be hated on constantly.
Re: your team's scapegoat? For the Celtics, Doc Rivers is the scapegoat, but shouldn't be. Sure, he makes some questionable coaching decisions late in games, but it's not all his fault. The players don't run all the plays right because this team is extremely young. We don't defend, and I know for a fact Doc preaches that, as does Danny Ainge and Clifford Ray. I really think that all Doc needs is a consistant lineup. I think Ainge is working on that right now, and I really believe that Doc will/should be more appreciated once he gets a set 9-10 man rotation.The old scapegoat was Antoine Walker, then Mark Blount, but they are both gone. The new one probably is Brian Scalabrine even though he barely plays lol. He hustles his ass off, and I love that, but he doesn't have any real basketball skill except height and hustle. He can shoot but he shoots under 40%, he doesn't rebound well, and he's out of shape. I will give him this though - he loves the game of basketball and has a real high basketball IQ, and he's a pretty good passer. But other than that, there is no reason he should have ever gotten a 5 year/$15M deal.
Re: your team's scapegoat? it may not ALL be doc's fault, but alot of the blame in late game situations can be put on him. He refuses to play Perk at the end of games, which is a extremely frustrating. I don't know how many times someone has penetrated for an easy basket inside bc we have no presence on defense. instead, he'd put in Raef and Scabs, or Raef and Marky Mark, or something like that instead of putting Al or Perk in. When we did play Perk and Al together at the end, we are 2-0. Also, choosing not to cover the inbounds vs. Detroit was awful. NOt fouling Kyle Korver out on the perimeter with 3 seconds left in 2-OT was dumb. Korver went on to hit the game-tying three. We lose in the third OT.I realize that we do have logjams, but Doc shouldn't be playing guys like Brian Scalabrine when guys like Ryan Gomes are working just as hard WITH talent and are rotting on the end of the bench. I don't know if he felt he had an obligation to play the veterans or what, but all i know is Scalbrine should never take a second of play from Gomes.Also, Green was dubbed for ZERO playing time bc of his horrible defense. Who plays defense on this team? that shouldn't of taken away his time. Also, when we played the Cavs at the end of the year, when Gerald went in, Doc actually put him on LeBron James. That makes no sense. you bash a guy for playing no defense, then you put him against arguably the best offensive player in the game.
Re: your team's scapegoat? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 26 2006, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, Green was dubbed for ZERO playing time bc of his horrible defense. Who plays defense on this team? that shouldn't of taken away his time. Also, when we played the Cavs at the end of the year, when Gerald went in, Doc actually put him on LeBron James. That makes no sense. you bash a guy for playing no defense, then you put him against arguably the best offensive player in the game.</div>1. Doc has to teach Gerald that he has to work hard and get better on the defensive end before he gets minutes. What do you expect him to do? Give him a free pass on defense, just because we aren't a good defensive team? Hell no. That's the wrong way. Doc is a great teacher, and I have no problem with what was done with Gerald.2. He put him on LeBron because it was a meaningless game for both teams and he wanted to give Gerald a taste of what it's like for Pierce/Allen night in-night out. This way, he knows "damn.. I need to work my ass off before coach trusts me with consistant minutes."No offense to you nba dogmatist, but I'm glad you aren't the coach haha.
Re: your team's scapegoat? my point was that they used the excuse of Gerald's defense for not playing him, which is BS. Hardly anyone on this team plays defense. He could've helped a little bit with scoring off the bench, which was a problem accourding to Danny this year. I never told to give him a free pass, but atleast give hima chance. Put him out there and give him a chance. If he gets burned a few times, then take him out. And another thing that can be added on is how he ruined our chance at being successful with Marcus Banks. He had zero patience with the guy, and i think he'll flourish elsewhere. He had no reigns here. I saw in Minnesota when he has control of what he can do.. he was a beast. I'm glad he'll have a good career, i just regret that it couldn't work out here, bc of doc.
Re: your team's scapegoat? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 26 2006, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my point was that they used the excuse of Gerald's defense for not playing him, which is BS. Hardly anyone on this team plays defense. He could've helped a little bit with scoring off the bench, which was a problem accourding to Danny this year. I never told to give him a free pass, but atleast give hima chance. Put him out there and give him a chance. If he gets burned a few times, then take him out. And another thing that can be added on is how he ruined our chance at being successful with Marcus Banks. He had zero patience with the guy, and i think he'll flourish elsewhere. He had no reigns here. I saw in Minnesota when he has control of what he can do.. he was a beast. I'm glad he'll have a good career, i just regret that it couldn't work out here, bc of doc.</div>Right, and my points was that he can't give Gerald a free pass for sucking on defense.. just because we aren't a good defensive team. He has to learn that in order to be awarded minutes, he is going to have to work hard and improve on BOTH ends of the floor. If we played Gerald the whole season, sure, he would be a scorer off the bench. But he is a terrible defender, and giving him a free pass in that department will NOT make him a good player, and will NOT teach him good values.About Banks, I will have to agree with you, but at the same time - both Doc and Danny were looking for pass-first, playmaking PG's. Sure, Marcus works hard, he's fast as hell, and he is an exceptional defender. But he is a penetrating PG without a drive-and-kick game. We now have than in Rondo, who is probably just as good a defender as Banks. Then, we now have Telfair. We are in much better shape at the PG position with Bassy, Delonte, and Rondo than having Delonte, Marcus, and Orien/Dickau. Sure, Marcus will be a good player, but not in our style of play. He isn't a pure, pass-first PG that this team needed, and now has 2 of them.
Re: your team's scapegoat? Honestly with the amount of 76ers fans there is in diff. forums, I proably see the most blame being put on Webber..
Re: your team's scapegoat? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 26 2006, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Right, and my points was that he can't give Gerald a free pass for sucking on defense.. just because we aren't a good defensive team. He has to learn that in order to be awarded minutes, he is going to have to work hard and improve on BOTH ends of the floor. If we played Gerald the whole season, sure, he would be a scorer off the bench. But he is a terrible defender, and giving him a free pass in that department will NOT make him a good player, and will NOT teach him good values.About Banks, I will have to agree with you, but at the same time - both Doc and Danny were looking for pass-first, playmaking PG's. Sure, Marcus works hard, he's fast as hell, and he is an exceptional defender. But he is a penetrating PG without a drive-and-kick game. We now have than in Rondo, who is probably just as good a defender as Banks. Then, we now have Telfair. We are in much better shape at the PG position with Bassy, Delonte, and Rondo than having Delonte, Marcus, and Orien/Dickau. Sure, Marcus will be a good player, but not in our style of play. He isn't a pure, pass-first PG that this team needed, and now has 2 of them.</div>you have a good point of him learning good values, but he won't develop nearly as well/fast if he's just rotting on the bench.
