What to do with our cap space?

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  1. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    I like Deron Williams, and would love to see him as a Blazer. But, even if we could sign him, he wouldn't leave us with much left over money. Assuming we sign Batum for 8-9 million, lose Crawford, are stuck with Shawne Williams and keep our two draft picks...we should have about 18 million to spend in free agency (I hope my math is right). We could end up with more if we try and do a draft day trade to shed salary, or ending up buying-out Shawne Williams. I would guess that Dracic will command somewhere around 8-10 million. That leaves us with a minimum or 8 or 9 million to go after someone else: say Eric Gordon or Roy Hibbert, maybe?

    What would you rather see: Portland spending almost all of it's money on Dwill, or getting two guys like Dragic & Gordon/Hibbert?
     
  2. JFizzleRaider

    JFizzleRaider Yeast Lords Global Moderator

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    Gordon and hibbert are rfas, I guarantee they will get more than 8 to 9 mil, and if thatsvall we offered, there reapective teams would instantly match.
     
  3. PtldPlatypus

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    Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure your math is incorrect.

    According to ShamSports, here are the salaries or cap holds that we have for this summer:
    • Aldridge 14M
    • Matthews 6.5M
    • Babbitt 1.9M
    • Thomas 1.35M
    • Williams 1.44M
    • Smith 1.37M
    • Batum 5.4M (cap hold)
    • Hickson 5.8M (cap hold)
    • Claver 1.05M (cap hold)
    • Freeland 850K (cap hold)

    Factoring in our two picks (I estimated #6 & #10, totaling an additional 4.4M, based on the rookie scale), our total salaries/holds entering free agency total about $44M, which would give us a best-case scenario of about $14M in cap space (based on the presumed $58M cap). Add in Shawne Williams, and it's more like $11M.
     
  4. Chuck Taylor

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    If you really wanted Gordon or Hibbert then you could make a trade to free up more room. Or we could still sign a nice player for 8 or 9 million.
     
  5. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    Hoopshype has Thomas' contract coming off the books this summer. I wonder which is right?

    As for the cap holds, I would renounce the rights to everyone but Batum if we could sign 2 studs.
     
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    I have been trying to tell people this for weeks now, but never had the numbers to back it up. Thanks for posting this. We don't have as much cap space as people think we do unless we renounce Batum and Hibbert
     
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    Thomas is under contract through next year. Hoopshype gets things wrong all the time. If you want the best site, go to StoryTellers contracts
     
  8. Chuck Taylor

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    Yeah but if you renounce Hickson, Claver and Freeland and that 11M turns into 19M. I really hope the Blazers don't let those guys get in the way of some serious cap room.
    Plus it shouldn't be that hard to shed salary in a trade, especially if we are willing to trade one of our picks. If the Blazers want to go after two 10M type guys, they can.

    The Hornets just got sold to the owner of the Saints though, so Gordon probably isn't going anywhere.
     
  9. PtldPlatypus

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    Hoopshype is notoriously inaccurate. DraftExpress and StoryTeller also agree with Sham. I'm going with the majority.

    Yeah, I agree that I would give up all our holds to get Deron. As someone else mentioned, the nice thing about cap holds is that you can always renounce them. I imagine we'll retain the holds, but if Aldridge somehow convinces DW to come here, then Hickson's gone.
     
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    I hope they don't renounce them....

    You are not going to get 2 studs by renouncing those guys...I think that is a pipedream

    Max contract offer to ONE stud is around $16mil...meaning a D-Will (doubt he will come here, but they should try)...Nash is going to be what $10-14? , meaning you have $5mil left to go after your 2nd stud? and to do so you had to let Hickson go, who I think is worth re-signing. Claver, I could care less & Freeland who is intriguing enough to me at least to be worth looking at, but if they had to let him go, so be it. I could live with that...

    and that doesn't even factor in if someone signs Batum to an offer sheet, which now POR only has THREE days to match....meaning they better have thier shit in order and offer who they want and get a decision right away, b\c if some other team offers Batum right away and POR doesn't sign someone before then, then goodbye capspace...and POR mgmt should definitely expect that kind of gamesmanship to occur.

    Make your pitch to D-Will and Nash, but have you offer ready to go for Dragic\Hawes whomever b\c I would be shocked if some other team doesn't have an offer to Batum and\or Hickson on Day 1 of Free Agency...

    Going after a guy like Dragic or Aaaron Brooks BTW, allows POR to retain Hickson, Freeland (and of course Batum), get 2 quality players and then go after that 2nd\3rd stud woth thier 2 lottery picks....

    That is probably the correct course to take.
     
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    Both Chad and Storyteller have stated that the Blazers will have between $15mil and $20mil in cap space IF Crawford does not opt in.

    Obviously, between $10mil and $15mil if he does.

    And, between $20mil and $25mil if Crawford does not opt in and we renounce all our free agents including Batum.
     
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    Nash is not a stud anymore
     
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    But is he our next Andre Miller?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think the Blazers should think long and hard about drafting Kendall Marshall at 11 (or whatever). They absolutely should not enter free agency in the desperate situation of having Nolan Smith under contract as the team's only ersatz point guard.

    Normally I would advise against drafting for need, but in this case they need some insurance and that's probably a decent intersection between need and value. Finding a quality point via free agency could end up as a really nasty game of musical chairs where the Blazers get left out when the music stops. There's plenty of holes to fill on this roster via free agency outside of point guard so I don't think it should be their only focus.
     
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    However, Storyteller's BE post about our cap space was prior to us picking up Hickson. Prior to that, we were slated for ~$17M (including Williams, sans Crawford). With Hickson's hold, it's $11M (as I detailed above).
     
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    You mean the next guy we spend money on that doesn't help us get out of the first round of the playoffs? Maybe?
     
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    Speaking of our next Andre Miller.
     
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    Yet he made around $12 mil this year and he will be an UFA. I think is is highly optimistic to think that POR could sign him for $8-9 million....great and kudos to them if they can, but just not a reasonable expectation IMO...
     
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    1. Must be prepared to make offers on day 1
    2. Must have help from Batum and Hickson agent/player to not accept/agree to contract until step 1 is complete.

    First step for Blazers is drafting BPA at both picks. Second, is to sign DWill, Dragic, or go after a RFA like Lopez or Gordon with our money. Then, finally re-sign Batum, Hickson and maybe Flynn.
    Hopefully, we have a little cash left to sign Freeland also.
     
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    Lopez and Gordon are both injury prone. Maybe Spencer Hawes instead?
    I like the plan otherwise though
     

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