All you ppl that think KB is all that great, he's only a great scorer, nothing else. Even other players atleast try to excel in one other category. As for LBJ, this guy gets so many TDs. I think ever since Shaq was traded away from LAL, KB hasn't gotten a single triple-double.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 30 2006, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bron averaged 26PPG on 44% shooting to go along with 6APG (less than average) and well over 4 TO's per game in the Pistons series. I am not saying good defenses can shutdown Bron, I am saying good interior defenses. The Pistons showed just how effective it was against LeBron. Go to next series vs Miami, Wade was scoring mostly all of his baskets off midrange jumpshots. He averaged 70% shooting because of that range and discipline not to jack up 3's when driving is very hard to come by. And no, Shaq didn't open up much at all as he was played straight up by Big Ben.T-Mac's outside shooting is just part of his arsenal, he's got a deadly midrange game (doesn't use it as much as when he was in Orlando), and because of his outside shooting and athletic ability, he is a great driver/slasher. That is what makes him pretty much unstoppable, along with Kobe, who is VERY similar in scoring style. Bron is also unstoppable if you don't have a great, and I mean great interior defense and good man to man defender. But when you get a Wade, Kobe or T-Mac that can stretch D out to 3pt line/20ft or so, everything is opened up and they have unlimited choices. The only things that stops them are off nights (which happens to a Kobe or T-Mac when they rely more on jumpshooting than driving to basket like Wade or Bron), injuries (which will slow down anyone), or if a defender has really gotten into their head (most star players in the league have a defender, usually Ron or Bruce, that does that to them). But in simplest terms, it is much easier to devise a defense to slow down a LeBron who still isn't a great shooter to a T-Mac or Kobe who are great slashers and shooters. See my point?nba dogmatist- If that logic were true, you think LeBron is a better scorer than Kobe? And you think wade is best scorer in league? C'mon. In the NBA versatility is key. Offensively, no one is more versatile than LeBron. But when it comes to strictly scoring, you really can't beat a T-Mac or Kobe.</div>you're argument is that leBron is "stopped" by Detroit's defense, he averages 26 ppg on 44% shooting. TMac averaged on the regular season 24.4 ppg on 40% shooting. So when LeBron is "stopped" by a great interior defense, he is STILL GETTING BETTER NUMBERS THAN MCGRADY! Can't you just get past that? And although both are poor, LeBron also shoots a better 3-pt %. You're acting like LeBron can't shoot, which is just stupid. I've seen him play NUMEROUS times and he can light it up from the outside. Against the wizards he went 7-of-12 from beyond the arc one game. I see your point, but it's not a good point. LeBron scores more at a higher rate. You claim that he can't shoot, which is a lie.that's just retarded. Kobe SCORES MORE THAN LEBRON. TMac averages 7 less ppg. And Wade isn't even in this discussion, what is he like 6th in scoring? He's obviously not the best scorer in the game.
Wow, you really are retarded. T-Mac a poor 3pt shooter. I'm not even gonna listen to crap like that. AQnd once again, T-Mac was injured most of the seasons, dealed with off the court problems, and the whole 9. Superstar swingmen have these kinds of seasons Kobe had 2 seasons like that, AI had a season like that, Pierce had THREE straight seasons of dismal performance, etc... And I never used the words stop for Bron against good interior defense (Pistons series just was an example), I said really slow down and control his scoring. Just because Kobe scores more than LeBron doesn't mean sh*t. Gilbert Arens scored more than Dirk, T-Mac, Pierce and Wade this season, but he certainly isn't the better scorer. It is about 2 things when it comes to scoring: efficieny and versatility. LeBron has 1 and a half of those, Kobe has both, and then some. T-Mac has both when not injured (once again, last year was something that had never happenned to him in his career, but when back and personal problems weren't a problem, he played very well).
did i ever say TMac was a poor 3-pt. shooter? DID I????? NO i didn't. but you were calling lebron a poor one when he shoots a better percentage.And please keep in mind, this is Lebron vs. TMac, not LeBron vs. TMac and Kobe.Actually, Gilbert Arenas can certainly be argued that he is a better score than a list of those guys. He has that "versatility" you are drooling over while scoring 30 ppg. He's a top 5 driver in the game and i think he was top 3 in 3-pointers made last season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 31 2006, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, you really are retarded. T-Mac a poor 3pt shooter. I'm not even gonna listen to crap like that. AQnd once again, T-Mac was injured most of the seasons, dealed with off the court problems, and the whole 9. Superstar swingmen have these kinds of seasons Kobe had 2 seasons like that, AI had a season like that, Pierce had THREE straight seasons of dismal performance, etc... And I never used the words stop for Bron against good interior defense (Pistons series just was an example), I said really slow down and control his scoring. Just because Kobe scores more than LeBron doesn't mean sh*t. Gilbert Arens scored more than Dirk, T-Mac, Pierce and Wade this season, but he certainly isn't the better scorer. It is about 2 things when it comes to scoring: efficieny and versatility. LeBron has 1 and a half of those, Kobe has both, and then some. T-Mac has both when not injured (once again, last year was something that had never happenned to him in his career, but when back and personal problems weren't a problem, he played very well).</div>Dude, T-Mac hasnt not been injured in like 3 years. So stop using that excuse. And so your saying that its better to get 24 points off of jumpshooting and some inside scoring than to score 31 off of alot of inside scoring and some outside scoring? That is basically the arguement that you are making. And you keep saying that the pistsons limited Lebrons scoring. Which they did...BUT, that is still better than Tracy so i dont understand your arguement. Lebron is a far better scorer. Honestly, who cares if Lebron gets alot of his points off of going to the bucket. It works doesn't it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 31 2006, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>did i ever say TMac was a poor 3-pt. shooter? DID I????? NO i didn't. but you were calling lebron a poor one when he shoots a better percentage.And please keep in mind, this is Lebron vs. TMac, not LeBron vs. TMac and Kobe.Actually, Gilbert Arenas can certainly be argued that he is a better score than a list of those guys. He has that "versatility" you are drooling over while scoring 30 ppg. He's a top 5 driver in the game and i think he was top 3 in 3-pointers made last season.</div>Umm....<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And although both are poor, LeBron also shoots a better 3-pt %.</div>I NEVER said Bron was a poor 3pt shooter, but he certainly isn't great. T-Mac is a great 3pt shooter, and while sometimes he takes a bad 3pt shot, he is the better 3pt shooter. T-Mac always takes more 3pt FGA's year after year, and combine that with him sometimes jacking up bad shots, he is usually around 33-35% 3pt shooting, right around where Bron is.I know it's not Bron vs Kobe, but I use Kobe as an example, along with Pierce and others as they have had seasons like T-Mac's this past season and rebounded to play as good, if not better, than how they usually play. No doubt in my mind last year was a hiccup and something we will not see from T-Mac again.Gilbert is on a team where he is PG, main scorer, and on a team that scores like the 2nd most PPG in the league due to that style of offense. He isn't a better scorer than Wade, Dirk or T-Mac. Wade and Dirk have better FG %, and Wade has just as good of a midrange game as Gilbert and is better driver, and Dirk is probably the most versatile big men the league has ever senn. T-Mac is more versatile due to his unique size and athleticisim so he has the options like posting up most defenders. I'm done arguing this as it is really hard considering the kind of season T-Mac just had. But I feel when he is healhty, while not as efficient as Bron, he is more versatile, more dangerous (IMO, agree to disagree there), and certainly not as inefficient as say AI usually is. In a year or 2, as Bron keeps developing that jumpshot, he will become the best scorer in the league. But until that midrange or 3pt shot improve, i feel T-Mac has the ever so slight edge in scoring.ballerman-T-Mac wasn't injured in 2004-2005, only missed 4 games. He struggled HEAVILY to start the seaosn, but outside of that first month or so, he was the best swingman in the league. My arguement is that it's harder to stop T-Mac than LeBron. If you have good interior defense, you can really take LeBron out of his zone. With T-Mac, he is a great driving player and a great jumpshooter, so the only way you can really stop him is if A) You got a player like Ron Artest that is athletic enough to get a hand in his face on every jumpshot and hopefully limit driving, or B ) Hope he has a bad shooting game. I'd take those chances over LeBron who if you have a good interior defense can really stop.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 31 2006, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ballerman-T-Mac wasn't injured in 2004-2005, only missed 4 games. He struggled HEAVILY to start the seaosn, but outside of that first month or so, he was the best swingman in the league. My arguement is that it's harder to stop T-Mac than LeBron. If you have good interior defense, you can really take LeBron out of his zone. With T-Mac, he is a great driving player and a great jumpshooter, so the only way you can really stop him is if A) You got a player like Ron Artest that is athletic enough to get a hand in his face on every jumpshot and hopefully limit driving, or B ) Hope he has a bad shooting game. I'd take those chances over LeBron who if you have a good interior defense can really stop.</div>Thats the thing though, its not harder to stop him. It is harder to stop a guy that can drive to the basket than a guy that shoots jumpshots. 1. You say that the only ways you can stop Tracy is if you have a great defender or he has a bad night. It works both ways buddy. How many teams have great interior defenses that can stop Lebron? Let me think, none. There are only 2 defenses in the entire league that can hold Lebron to what did you say, 26 a night. 2. You are saying that Tracy can both shoot the ball and go to the basket. Did you ever think that Lebron can do the same thing except he goes the basket more? Last time I checked, Tracy's 3 point percentage wasnt that much better than Lebrons. And your arguement is ENTIRLEY based on the fact that Tracy is so much better of a shooter which makes it harder for him to be stopped. When in fact, it is harder to stop a guy that can drive to the basket considering there have to be more people involved to do it.3. Your arguement is also based on the fact that Tracy is a better scorer than Lebron WHEN HE IS HEALTHY. The fact of the matter is, he isn't ever 100 percent healthy. His back injury isnt something that is just going to go away. It sticks with you forever. And even when Tracy is healthy, Lebron is a better scorer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 31 2006, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. You say that the only ways you can stop Tracy is if you have a great defender or he has a bad night. It works both ways buddy. How many teams have great interior defenses that can stop Lebron? Let me think, none. There are only 2 defenses in the entire league that can hold Lebron to what did you say, 26 a night. 2. You are saying that Tracy can both shoot the ball and go to the basket. Did you ever think that Lebron can do the same thing except he goes the basket more? Last time I checked, Tracy's 3 point percentage wasnt that much better than Lebrons. And your arguement is ENTIRLEY based on the fact that Tracy is so much better of a shooter which makes it harder for him to be stopped. When in fact, it is harder to stop a guy that can drive to the basket considering there have to be more people involved to do it.3. Your arguement is also based on the fact that Tracy is a better scorer than Lebron WHEN HE IS HEALTHY. The fact of the matter is, he isn't ever 100 percent healthy. His back injury isnt something that is just going to go away. It sticks with you forever. And even when Tracy is healthy, Lebron is a better scorer.</div>1. Great defender can also stop Bron. Ron Artest puts a beating n Bron everytime they face each other. It does work botbg ways. There are very few defenses that have "great" interior defenses, but I'd take my chances with a streakier guy than a guy who does have a chink in his armor. May not be much in the season, but in the playoffs and likely one day the Finals for Bron, it will be a huge flaw that he needs to take care of (which he is doing).2. When a great jumpshooter is feeling it, N-O-T-H-I-N-G can stop them. Looka t Kobe's 81 or 62, T-Mac's 13 in 30 or 62, etc... T-Mac is a very good slasher, and before he starting taking tons of 3's (around the 2002-2003 season) he was a slasher that was similar to how Bron is right now. Not as good off the drive as Bron, but because of his athletic ability and tall height for a SF, he is very good at it. Bron doesn't have that advantage shooting the ball. He hasn't shown he can be a great jumpshooter. Shown some flashes like the Wizards game? Sure. But he still isn't consistent outside of 18ft, especially considering he is played pretty lightly as his driving is so deadly.3. True, he hasn't been 100% since Toronto. But he has back problems since the 1st year he was in Orlando, and since then had his best seasons. In 2004-2005 he was, IMO, the best swingman in the league. Not just best scorer, but best swingman period. He was also that in 2002-2003. I admit, I am a T-Mac homer. It is true, but I wouldn't be defending him so much if I honestly wasn't 100% sure that T-Mac is the better scorer. And I'm not just pulling the him being in huge slump at beginning of season the reason his stats were so low in 2004-2005. Here is some proof: http://slam.canoe.ca/StatsBKP/BC-BKP-LGNS-HOUSTONLOG-R.html It wasn't until mid-December that he started to really play well and got over his injury that he had at beginning of season. If it wasn't for post-December of that year, I probably wouldn't be calling him the better scorer, but what he has shown me in the past and shown in stretches this year he still has the flare.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sham @ Jul 30 2006, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All you ppl that think KB is all that great, he's only a great scorer, nothing else. Even other players atleast try to excel in one other category. As for LBJ, this guy gets so many TDs. I think ever since Shaq was traded away from LAL, KB hasn't gotten a single triple-double.</div>I thought you lived in california? I think you don't. First off, there's a reason why kobe makes it to all nba defensive teams regularly. One dimension scorer? That's why he averaged 6 assists last season and was averaging 7 before the offense changed.Hasnt gotten a triple double since shaq left? Kobe had back to back triples last season.Man, if your going to hate then please come up with something better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 31 2006, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Umm....I NEVER said Bron was a poor 3pt shooter, but he certainly isn't great. T-Mac is a great 3pt shooter, and while sometimes he takes a bad 3pt shot, he is the better 3pt shooter. T-Mac always takes more 3pt FGA's year after year, and combine that with him sometimes jacking up bad shots, he is usually around 33-35% 3pt shooting, right around where Bron is.I know it's not Bron vs Kobe, but I use Kobe as an example, along with Pierce and others as they have had seasons like T-Mac's this past season and rebounded to play as good, if not better, than how they usually play. No doubt in my mind last year was a hiccup and something we will not see from T-Mac again.Gilbert is on a team where he is PG, main scorer, and on a team that scores like the 2nd most PPG in the league due to that style of offense. He isn't a better scorer than Wade, Dirk or T-Mac. Wade and Dirk have better FG %, and Wade has just as good of a midrange game as Gilbert and is better driver, and Dirk is probably the most versatile big men the league has ever senn. T-Mac is more versatile due to his unique size and athleticisim so he has the options like posting up most defenders. I'm done arguing this as it is really hard considering the kind of season T-Mac just had. But I feel when he is healhty, while not as efficient as Bron, he is more versatile, more dangerous (IMO, agree to disagree there), and certainly not as inefficient as say AI usually is. In a year or 2, as Bron keeps developing that jumpshot, he will become the best scorer in the league. But until that midrange or 3pt shot improve, i feel T-Mac has the ever so slight edge in scoring.ballerman-T-Mac wasn't injured in 2004-2005, only missed 4 games. He struggled HEAVILY to start the seaosn, but outside of that first month or so, he was the best swingman in the league. My arguement is that it's harder to stop T-Mac than LeBron. If you have good interior defense, you can really take LeBron out of his zone. With T-Mac, he is a great driving player and a great jumpshooter, so the only way you can really stop him is if A) You got a player like Ron Artest that is athletic enough to get a hand in his face on every jumpshot and hopefully limit driving, or B ) Hope he has a bad shooting game. I'd take those chances over LeBron who if you have a good interior defense can really stop.</div>yeah, that means both percentages were poor, not shooting. okay, so TMac is the better SHOOTER, that is all you are proving to me. You've said nothing that tells me he's a better scorer.And if you don't think very highly of Arenas as a scorer, you're going against almost everything you've said so far. You praise guys like McGrady and Kobe for having versatility, and that is exactly what Arenas has. He may not be as tall as them, but that has nothing to do with his game. He's one of the strongest and fastest guards in the game, which allows him to be one of the best drivers, and he hit over 200 3's this year i think. Wade has a better midrange game? oh please..and you're argument is that TMac is harder to stop, but we're not talking about who you'd rather go against in ONE game, we're talking about who you would rather have on your team. And you're out of your mind if you'd rather take an injury-ridden inconsistent scorer, over a consistent scorer who scores more at a higher %.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 31 2006, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Great defender can also stop Bron. Ron Artest puts a beating n Bron everytime they face each other. It does work botbg ways. There are very few defenses that have "great" interior defenses, but I'd take my chances with a streakier guy than a guy who does have a chink in his armor. May not be much in the season, but in the playoffs and likely one day the Finals for Bron, it will be a huge flaw that he needs to take care of (which he is doing).2. When a great jumpshooter is feeling it, N-O-T-H-I-N-G can stop them. Looka t Kobe's 81 or 62, T-Mac's 13 in 30 or 62, etc... T-Mac is a very good slasher, and before he starting taking tons of 3's (around the 2002-2003 season) he was a slasher that was similar to how Bron is right now. Not as good off the drive as Bron, but because of his athletic ability and tall height for a SF, he is very good at it. Bron doesn't have that advantage shooting the ball. He hasn't shown he can be a great jumpshooter. Shown some flashes like the Wizards game? Sure. But he still isn't consistent outside of 18ft, especially considering he is played pretty lightly as his driving is so deadly.3. True, he hasn't been 100% since Toronto. But he has back problems since the 1st year he was in Orlando, and since then had his best seasons. In 2004-2005 he was, IMO, the best swingman in the league. Not just best scorer, but best swingman period. He was also that in 2002-2003. I admit, I am a T-Mac homer. It is true, but I wouldn't be defending him so much if I honestly wasn't 100% sure that T-Mac is the better scorer. And I'm not just pulling the him being in huge slump at beginning of season the reason his stats were so low in 2004-2005. Here is some proof: http://slam.canoe.ca/StatsBKP/BC-BKP-LGNS-HOUSTONLOG-R.html It wasn't until mid-December that he started to really play well and got over his injury that he had at beginning of season. If it wasn't for post-December of that year, I probably wouldn't be calling him the better scorer, but what he has shown me in the past and shown in stretches this year he still has the flare.</div>STOP BRINGING UP KOBE. TRACY IS NOT KOBE.And you ring up Tracy's 62 point game, LEBRON HAS GAMES LIKE THAT!!!! He's had more than his share of 50 points games, and you're just ignoring those.
Between these 2 it is hard to compare. Last year it was no contest that James was better in pretty much every category. When T-Mac was at his best he was clearly the better outside shooter and hardly ever turned it over which is amazing considering how much he has the ball. He also can play some lock down defense like he did to Dirk when it counted.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 31 2006, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, that means both percentages were poor, not shooting. okay, so TMac is the better SHOOTER, that is all you are proving to me. You've said nothing that tells me he's a better scorer.And if you don't think very highly of Arenas as a scorer, you're going against almost everything you've said so far. You praise guys like McGrady and Kobe for having versatility, and that is exactly what Arenas has. He may not be as tall as them, but that has nothing to do with his game. He's one of the strongest and fastest guards in the game, which allows him to be one of the best drivers, and he hit over 200 3's this year i think. Wade has a better midrange game? oh please..and you're argument is that TMac is harder to stop, but we're not talking about who you'd rather go against in ONE game, we're talking about who you would rather have on your team. And you're out of your mind if you'd rather take an injury-ridden inconsistent scorer, over a consistent scorer who scores more at a higher %.</div>Yeah, contradict yourself again, cool.I feel he is more versatile as a scorer, as he is also a great slasher. I also feel he is more dangerous as less things can stop him.I think highly of Arenas as a scorer, but I'm not completely sold on him yet. He had a phenomonal season, but not 100% sold on him yet. He is very streaky, his TO numbers are high, and he is on a very uptempo team where the ball is in his hands almost all the time. Not to mention less than stellar D and doesn't get RPG numbers like a Wade who is similar in size or the APG for a PG, but that crap doesn't have anything to do with scoring. And I never said Wade had a better midrange game, but theya re about equal. Wade is also the better driver, better clutch player, etc.... But this isn't Wade vs Arenas or T-Mac vs Arenas for that matter. I tried to make an analogy and it came out terribly, my apologies.Once again, we are talking about just scorers. If you asked me who I'd want at the SF spot or pure scoring, I'd take T-Mac (not to mention better D, but that is another debate). Because Bron does SO much offensively, it leaves him a lot of room and rarely doubled teamed outside of 15ft. T-Mac doesn't have the playmaking ability or court vision of LeBron, so he is usually doubled a lot more from farther out. But if we are just talking about pure scoring, and both of them got to play Kobe's spot of pure scorer, I'd take T-Mac. I just prefer those type of PURE scorers. When it comes to the overall package, nothing in the league compares to Bron (well, Wade is right there when it comes to overall package, but again, different debate). Oh, and this was T-Mac's only injury-riddled season. 2004-2005 he only missed 4 games, and in 2003-2004 he just took off the last 10 games or so, as he has admitted (who could blame him, when your 2nd option is Drew Gooden and 3rd option is a very old Juwan Howard). And I'll stop posting there. We have both made out points, and it really comes to what you look for in scorers. I look for versatility, good FG % (T-Mac usually has good FG %), and how unstoppable he is when it comes to different defenses. You look for the better FG %. If T-Mac was still on orlando where he didn't have to deal with the TERRIBLY offensive minded coach in JVG and a rising star in Yao, then I'd say no doubt Bron is better scorer. But considering everything, looking really into it, I'd say T-Mac is better, or at least even, with Bron in terms of scoring. That will change very soon, but for now I put T-Mac over Bron in scoring.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 31 2006, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, contradict yourself again, cool.I feel he is more versatile as a scorer, as he is also a great slasher. I also feel he is more dangerous as less things can stop him.I think highly of Arenas as a scorer, but I'm not completely sold on him yet. He had a phenomonal season, but not 100% sold on him yet. He is very streaky, his TO numbers are high, and he is on a very uptempo team where the ball is in his hands almost all the time. Not to mention less than stellar D and doesn't get RPG numbers like a Wade who is similar in size or the APG for a PG, but that crap doesn't have anything to do with scoring. And I never said Wade had a better midrange game, but theya re about equal. Wade is also the better driver, better clutch player, etc.... But this isn't Wade vs Arenas or T-Mac vs Arenas for that matter. I tried to make an analogy and it came out terribly, my apologies.Once again, we are talking about just scorers. If you asked me who I'd want at the SF spot or pure scoring, I'd take T-Mac (not to mention better D, but that is another debate). Because Bron does SO much offensively, it leaves him a lot of room and rarely doubled teamed outside of 15ft. T-Mac doesn't have the playmaking ability or court vision of LeBron, so he is usually doubled a lot more from farther out. But if we are just talking about pure scoring, and both of them got to play Kobe's spot of pure scorer, I'd take T-Mac. I just prefer those type of PURE scorers. When it comes to the overall package, nothing in the league compares to Bron (well, Wade is right there when it comes to overall package, but again, different debate). Oh, and this was T-Mac's only injury-riddled season. 2004-2005 he only missed 4 games, and in 2003-2004 he just took off the last 10 games or so, as he has admitted (who could blame him, when your 2nd option is Drew Gooden and 3rd option is a very old Juwan Howard). And I'll stop posting there. We have both made out points, and it really comes to what you look for in scorers. I look for versatility, good FG % (T-Mac usually has good FG %), and how unstoppable he is when it comes to different defenses. You look for the better FG %. If T-Mac was still on orlando where he didn't have to deal with the TERRIBLY offensive minded coach in JVG and a rising star in Yao, then I'd say no doubt Bron is better scorer. But considering everything, looking really into it, I'd say T-Mac is better, or at least even, with Bron in terms of scoring. That will change very soon, but for now I put T-Mac over Bron in scoring.</div>TMac may be a talented slasher, but he never drives anymore. He settles for the jum,per ALL THE TIME. In fact, 79% of his fga are jumpshots." If you asked me who I'd want at the SF spot " Are you f*cking serious?? That's the biggest homer pick i've ever seen! you just said you'd take TMac over LeBron!!You're saying that Lebron's not a pure scorer? you are out of your mind! You think someone who averages 31 ppg isn't a pure scorer? :HAHAHA:
I'm gonna resist really replying back as I want this to end as it is starting to get annoying (over 3 days of this now), but I never said I'd take T-Mac over Bron outside of scoring. I said if my team needed a pure scorer, if they faced the same defenses night after night, etc... I'd take T-Mac. And I also never said Bron doesn't have pure scoring ability, but it isn't as polished (meaning most of the time he gets by on pure athletic ability and his size to get by,a nd while that works most of the time, he needs more against a great defense or great 1 on 1 defender) and versatle (IMO, don't bother fighting that aspect anymore, as I really feel strongly that that is Bron's only real weakness). And Bron is FAR from just a pure scorer, as with T-Mac, as when saying pure scorer it implies lack of overall versatility to do other things outside of scoring. Kobe plays the pure scorer spot, but has the ability to do other things.PS- Where did you get that stat? Not saying I don't believe you, but I've always wondered where people got stats like those, and I'd like to use it for other debates.
All u need 2 do to end this discussion is to look at LB's averages, and compare to them to any other player in the league. He owns everyone, including all the Superstar swingmen out there.
^If you look at just averages, then he must own MJ, right? Wrong. Averages are only half the story. I'd say Bron, overall, is 4th best player in league, behind Duncan, Kobe and Wade.
definately LeBron, if you take everything into effect, how in three years LeBron has already made himself a superstar and his all-around game is just a tad bit better than T-Mac's. Also, T-Mac's injuries have been hurting his game a lot. This season was an unfortunate one for T-Mac, right now I'd take LeBron.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Aug 1 2006, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^If you look at just averages, then he must own MJ, right? Wrong. Averages are only half the story. I'd say Bron, overall, is 4th best player in league, behind Duncan, Kobe and Wade.</div>Lebron > Wade
