How Much Presidential Authority Is Too Much?

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  1. BLAZER PROPHET

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    I, for one, generally do not oppose a President usurping a little authority- so long as it's legal to do so. It's politics. If you have the power and feel blocked by the other side, then flex your muscles if you can. But to be an effective President, it's best to try and work with Congress and to compromise rather than just pouting because you don't get your way and then changing the rules. I think this will all come to a head in Obama's second term. Stay tuned.
     
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    Well I think the democrats have been trying to compromise with the republicans, but I don't think the republicans have compromised. I think in general the republicans have gotten everything they have wanted and given up extremely little. But I could be biased.
     
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    Exactly.

    Repubs created a giveaway to the uber-wealthy which created a depression and have stonewalled all attempts to correct it.
     
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    OK, whether they have or not, how do you feel about a President (not Obama, but any one) trying to work around Congress to the point they are stretching the bounds of what may be legal?
     
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    You do realize that the Dems had a filibuster-proof majority in the Sentate and a strong majority in the House after the 2008 election, right? Obama's idea of compromise was to say "I won" to the GOP. In 2010, Americans voted the Dems out of the House, and took away their huge majority in the Senate. If Obama wants to bypass Congress, well, that's what dictators do.
     
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    NYT had a similar article yesterday. Apparently for liberals, broadening executive power is a bad thing when Bush did it, but a great thing when Obama builds on it via czars and agencies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/u...ecutive-powers-let-obama-bypass-congress.html

     
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    JerryNYNYT Pick

    "If Congress refuses to act, I’ve said that I’ll continue to do everything in my power to act without them.”

    These words should terrify any American, whether said by George W. Bush or Barack H. Obama.
     
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    I think all officials should always follow the law except bizarre unrealistic extreme situations. (aliens, congress dies of a plague, you get the idea) But I think they should be able to reform the law. With that said, "stretching the bounds" to me implies not illegal but frowned upon. This 60 filibuster proof business is an example of not illegal but frowned upon. It has only been used this much since 2006 (I believe). Before that it was very rarely used.

    edit: so it's not good, but I won't cry foul.
     
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    Republican hypocrisy. Bush had no 60% obstructionism from the other party, yet issued many secret Presidential orders involving spying on us all, torture, FBI secret arrests of Muslims in this country, etc. Imagine how far Republican presidential power would have gone had he faced 60% obstructionism.
     
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    Seems Democrats like what he did, otherwise they'd have obstructed.

    Duh.
     
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    You're missing the point. It's not about any individual President or political party. It's about how much and what type of power a President can usurp to be too much. Almost every President has skirted Congress to get what they want. Obama seems to be very aggressive about it. Is it too much? Do you want a President taking such initiative?
     
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    The more years this Republican 60% gridlock goes on, the more dictatorial presidents will become--Republican presidents, because now they can get away with it, and Democratic presidents, in order to get anything done.
     
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    The republican house has passed numerous Bills, only to see the obstructionists in the Senate refuse to bring them to a vote.
     
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    Democrats often made the same charge when Republicans bulldozed over their requests when Republicans ran Congress. Revenge time.
     
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    Gridlock is fine by me. The progressives spent over $1T on their agenda and unemployment hit 10%. Since the House went Republican and the progressives' nonsense stopped, unemployment has dropped to 8.2%.

    You figure that out yet?
     
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    They should be prosecuted for treason.
     
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    How's Europe doing with austerity cuts over there?
     
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    "Austerity" is a loaded term. Opinion poll tested by the DNC, no doubt.

    Ask people if they'd be happy to go back to Clinton era spending levels, adjusted for inflation. That wasn't austerity.
     
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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ounding-in-face-of-crisis-institutes-say.html

    Germany Rebounding in Face of Crisis, Institutes Say: Economy

    Germany is experiencing an upswing that will help drive down unemployment and narrow the budget deficit even as the European debt crisis continues to pose the biggest threat to growth, the leading economic institutes said.

    Europe’s biggest economy will expand 0.9 percent this year, up from a prior estimate of 0.8 percent, the four groups including Munich-based Ifo said today in their twice-yearly economic outlook for Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government. The economy will grow 2 percent in 2013, they said.

    “Growth impulses in the German economy will win the upper hand” from mid-year after showing weaker expansion in the first half, said the institutes, citing low interest rates, falling unemployment and steady growth in demand for its products. Germany will exploit its attractiveness as a “safe investment harbor” as doubts over the crisis prevail.

    The report underscores the growing disparity between Germany and the rest of Europe as the debt crisis resurfaces to buffet Spain and Italy. Merkel’s Cabinet approved budget projections yesterday that showed Germany will effectively eliminate its deficit in 2014, two years ahead of a deadline set in the constitution. That contrasts with Italy, which pushed back its balanced-budget goal by a year the same day.
     
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    Okay, let's hear about Ireland, Greece, Spain, Portugal.
     
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