scott walker apparently lied under oath

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  1. Ed O

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    1,004,303 voted for Barrett the first time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_gubernatorial_election,_2010), but only 670,288 voted for a Democrat in the recall primary (http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/149767225.html).

    It's totally true that general elections are sexier, and the "Vote Out Walker!" crowd might not be mobilized to vote in a primary, but the evidence doesn't support your assertion that people are suddenly motivated to change the status quo.

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  2. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    well then, I guess I'm wrong again.
     
  3. Denny Crane

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    October surprise.
     
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    Walker's going to prison. If Blako got 14 years, Walker should get the same.

    As for someone here saying "there was an election," that didn't stop Republicans from recalling Gray Davis immediately after his reelection and installing mental midget Schwartzenbeggar.

    The purpose of an election campaign is to inform voters of which issues the candidate considers important, and then to advocate them. The cowardly Wisconsin Republican strategy was to conspire to keep a secret agenda to destroy the tradition of unions. Had they disclosed their secret agenda during the campaign, they would have lost the election resoundingly.

    It was yet another stolen election by the crooks. So enough of "there was an election."
     
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    yeah, no voter has ever voted for a politician in one election and then against them the next time around. Laughable that you're being condescending about such a ridiculous view

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  6. Denny Crane

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    Gray Davis bought pork bellies with the peoples' money. He deserved to be canned.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_gubernatorial_recall_election,_2003

    On December 18, 2002, just over a month after being reelected, Davis announced that California would face a record budget deficit possibly as high as $35 billion, a forecast $13.7 billion higher than one a month earlier. The number was finally estimated to be $38.2 billion, more than all 49 other states' deficits combined. Already suffering from low approval ratings, Davis's numbers hit historic lows in April 2003 with 24% approval and 65% disapproval, according to a California Field Poll. Davis was almost universally disliked by both Republicans and Democrats in the state and a recall push was high.

    But at least he didn't kill millions of Pakistani civilians with bombs from drones like Obama has.
     
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    Your article doesn't insinuate pork bellies or any other corruption by Davis. It does say that like Walker, Davis became less popular soon after reelection. But Walker caused it himself by disclosing his secret radical agenda, while Davis was at the mercy of deficit estimates and do-nothing Republicans in his legislature.

    As for the millions, there's a cool guy on this forum who says we should believe quasi-official propaganda masquerading as independent estimates, so no prob.
     
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    As for the millions, it only matters what you believe.

    As for Davis, the guy was a crooked thief. He was voted out by the people. He was unpopular among people of his own party when it came time to vote.

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_25/b3788097.htm

    Now, the $149 billion fund may need a dose of its own medicine. CalPERS, which has 1.3 million beneficiaries among current or former state employees, has developed a rash of governance problems. Revelations that the fund knew about--but never blew the whistle on--Enron Corp. Chief Financial Officer Andrew S. Fastow's self-dealing partnerships were a big embarrassment. The board is increasingly pushing social and political criteria in investment decisions. And there has been a spate of high-level resignations. All this caps a more-than-two-year period when CalPERS' investment performance has trailed that of other large pension funds.

    Just as troubling, CalPERS' board seems to have developed a blind spot for potential conflicts of interest. In March, CalPERS put $100 million into Premier Pacific Vineyards Inc., which buys land for growing grapes. The co-CEO of that firm, Richard Wollack, is a major fund-raiser for California Governor Gray Davis, a Democrat, who names three CalPERS' board members.

    CalPERS also committed more than $760 million in the past year to two funds created by Los Angeles billionaire Ronald Burkle, who, with his wife, has contributed to the campaigns for state office of two CalPERS board members, Treasurer Philip Angelides and Controller Kathleen Connell, according to the California Secretary of State's office. He previously employed two other board members, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and actuary Sidney L. Abrams, both have confirmed. Burkle is also a big contributor to Davis, whose wife, Sharon, earned $37,500 last year as a board member at a Burkle company, according to Jordan Rasmussen, her spokeswoman.
     
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    Irrelevant. You showed no connection between Davis and CalPers investment decisions; you didn't even try.
     
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    You must think he was a prince among men and adored by the people. It was a devious plot to connect his donors to CalPERS and to drive public opinion against him to the point he was thrown out in a vote of landslide proportions.

    LOL.
     
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    Schwartzenbeggar was no better. He had the advantage of the media covering up his affair, and legislature Republicans allowing him a tax increase, which they now deny Brown just to make him, and the State they purport to represent, fail.

    So the coup against Davis was a flop.
     
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    Arnold ruined our economy, for sure. With all the green energy initiatives and all.

    It doesn't change the fact Davis was incompetent, not well liked, a thief, and he gambled the peoples' money on energy futures (RISKY). The people spoke.
     
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    You live there? I pictured you as either an Illinois farmboy or a Winnipeg starship captain. The people are speaking about Walker, so "there was an election" doesn't hold water. That was the point in my bringing up the Schwartz.
     
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    Walker balanced his budget at the expense of overly generous union benefits. He's shown no incompetence or done nothing to show he's abusing his office or even making bad decisions. It's clear there's a lot of forces outside the state that are willing to spend $millions to save the $billions in benefits. And they're desperate to have some sort of electoral victory to make it seem like momentum is shifting.

    Momentum? Starting with a republican winning dead Ted's senate seat, the Dems have had the equivalent of an 18-2 run (basketball metaphor) against them.
     
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    He perjured himself (post #1) and stole an election by hiding his secret radical agenda (post #24). As for momentum, everytime the conservative media proudly announces another Tea Party primary victory, the Democrats happily cash their coin machine "kerching!" for the real election.
     
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    He didn't perjure himself. Geez.

    The 2010 election was a real election, and the adults took over the house and had huge gains in the senate. That's after the people saw what those they gave all 3 branches to in 2008 did.
     
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    http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/16/opinion/bennett-california-budget/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

     
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    Property taxes fell by 0.4% in 2011 because home values in Wisconsin have plummeted. The schools have a surplus because they have fewer students due to Wisconsinians fleeing the dying state in droves.
     

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