Batum will sign first lucrative offer sheet

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  1. craigehlo

    craigehlo Elite Wing

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    I was with Snapper on this one. Jason Quick just mentioned on the BFT that the Blazer would immediately match an offer for him in the $9.5 mil range. That number for Batum is simply insane.

    Do any of the teams with major cap room need a SF is my question?
     
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  2. Rhal

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    bobcats and raptors off the top of my head. raptors have eyes for everyone and the bobcats I have no clue what the geck they are going to do.

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    I know there is no real GM right now but if the Blazers let Batum walk for nothing everyone in the front office should be fired immediately. Not because Batum is so great or they should match anything but because they could have got some good pieces for him the last couple of trade deadlines and decided to keep Batum instead. If everyone on this board knew that Batum would get a decent contract then the Blazers should have known it to, especially at this years deadline. If there was any inclination that they wouldn't match then they should have traded him. The Blazers got a lotto pick for Wallace and you know they could have gotten another 1 or 2 along with some expiring contracts or they may have even been able to get a guy like Dragic (if they wanted) or another point guard. Regardless of what you think Batum is worth if he walks for nothing heads better roll!
     
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  4. Ed O

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    Are you saying that swing men aren't easier to find than big men or PGs?

    If you are saying that, then I think you're wrong. Sorry.

    Ed O.
     
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    yes, see my post above. Depending on what you want those players to do. But there are better PGs, Cs, and most certainly PFs in the league right now than wing players, but still the perception is passed that wing players are a dime a dozen.
     
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  6. Ed O

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    Better than what?

    More good centers (relative to other centers) than good small forwards relative to small forwards?

    More good point guards (relative to other point guards) than good small forwards relative to small forwards?

    I don't think so.

    Ed O.
     
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  7. Rhal

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    I completely disagree

    Wing Players are the most shallow positions with the fewest elite players in them. SF/SG have very few Elites after the top while the other positions are very deep

    Lets consider PER
    Since the average PER is 15 for a starter lets see how many players with a Per of 15 or higher are at each position
    PG: 30
    C: 27
    PF: 38
    SG: 23
    SF: 18
    We can even go deeper, since per is a 36 stat lets take out all players who averaged under 25m a game.
    SF: 15
    PG: 26
    PF: 27
    C: 20
    SG: 18
    How about how each position has out of the top 100
    PG: 27
    SG: 9
    SF: 11
    PF: 32
    C: 22
    Why don't we take a look at the names of the top 10 of each position

    Top 10 PG
    CP3
    Rose
    Westbrook
    Parker
    Irving
    Curry
    Williams
    Nash
    Lou Williams
    Lin
    Lawson
    Lowery
    added 2 more just because Lin/Curry had so limited games this year.

    Top 10 SG
    Wade
    Ginobli
    Bryant
    Harden
    Johnson
    Ellis
    Thorton
    Kevin Martin
    Paul George
    Billups
    Gerald Green
    Added 1 more due to Billups going down

    Top 10 SF
    Lebron
    Durant
    Carmelo
    Pierce
    Granger
    Gay
    Iggy
    Batum
    Leonard
    Dunleavy

    Top 10 PF
    Love
    Griffen
    LA
    Faried
    Millsap
    Dirk
    Cousins
    Wright
    Anderson
    Josh Smith
    Ilysova
    Pau Gasol
    Added a few more due to 2 guys avg under 20m a game

    Top 10 C
    Howard
    Bynum
    Jefferson
    Duncan
    Monroe
    Nikola Pekovic
    Gortat
    Splitter
    McGee
    Noah
    Hibbert
    Tyson Chandler
    Added 1 due to Splitter playing so few minutes

    SF and SG are by far the weakest depth wise in the league. They get shallow very quickly and aside from the star studded top of each there is very little to be impressed with. The theory of "oh we can get a good person at the wing easily" is very wrong.
     
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  8. THE HCP

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    Damn man..... Nice research, but when was the last time you got laid?
     
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  9. Mediocre Man

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    When was the last time you were away from home?
     
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    You left out a lot of good players....Maybe they didn't make your list b\c of injury, b\c thier young and playng behind another player etc...

    Eric Gordon? - Stephon Curry? - Jason Terry? - Tyreke Evans? - DeMar DeRozan? - Ray Allen? - Evan Turner? - Luol Deng? - Gerald Wallace? -Danilo Gallinari? - Josh Smith? - Rodney Stuckey?

    I would also add guys like : Paul George - OJ Mayo - Tony Allen - Arron Afflalo - Klay Thompson - Thaddeus Young - to that list.
     
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  11. Mediocre Man

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    He ranked them by PER. The guys you mention had lower PER
     
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    curry, smith and george are on there.
     
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    and it also leaves off many good bigs. Point is there are many more bigs and PGs with above average PERs than there are wing players, which would seem to support that it is easier to find an average to above average big or PG than it is a wing, but still wing players get calleda dime a dozen. It started a while back, and is one of those things that is now just repeated without any support, seemingly.
     
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    a few of those guys are on that list and a few of your guys could be taken off as good players. i gotta agree here, the perception is that SG/SF are deep positions stems from them being top heavy, at least IMO. that and the fact that they use to be stack positions. PG and PF to me are the ones that are the most plentiful at this point.
     
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    That research took less of my time then me and your wife spent in your bed last night.
     
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    If the Blazers had a competent GM, this wouldn't be an issue. Whitsitt could get him to delay.
     
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    You're coming at it from a flawed direction. Different positions have different average PER... a PG has the ball in his hands a lot more than a wing player, for example, so he gets a lot more opportunities to get assists. A big guy gets more rebounds. That other positions have more players get higher than 15 PER in a single season doesn't do much, if anything, to prove anything.

    A wing player is average size (for the NBA). Average size is, almost by definition, most abundant. Shooting guards and small forwards are interchangable at a much higher rate than any other two positions... power forwards and centers can be swapped, but not as often.

    I'm sorry that you don't believe that swing players are the easiest to come by. It seems pretty obvious to me.

    (Not to say that GREAT swing players are easy to come by, but great players at any position are pretty rare.)

    Ed O.
     
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    What team is going to lock up $8-$10M in their cap space in the first three days of FA for a player that will never play for them? Think of all the players these teams might lose in that 72 hour span.
     
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    Yep. Excellent point. I'm sure Batum's agent knows/fears that, too, and it's probably fueling whatever attitude he's displaying leading up to free agency... impotence sucks. Or so I hear. :)

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    Because he has high shooting percentages becsuse he hardly ever shoots.
     
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