Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin Case!

its going to come down to whether or not people believe GZ started the fight

if so, he was asking for an ass whopping, and the shooting was cowardly

 

I agree. Who started the fight will probably be the deciding factor for the jury.

 

Didn't the transcript of the 911 call show that GZ stopped as soon as the dispatcher said he didn't need to pursue TM?

(I'm not going to read back through this thread, but my recollection was that they could hear GZ running (in pursuit) and breathing hard, when dispatch said he didn't need to do that, and the sounds of running stopped, he said that TM ran off, and that he (GZ) was returning to his vehicle.)

Go Blazers

 

Let's not get the known facts get in the way of an emotion-laden rant.

 

I don't remember those facts, but whatever was said to dispatch will be a big part of the trial. That was my only point.

 

And what facts are those papag? What happened with 911 dispatch?

There is one person who is very clearly emotional about this topic, to the point where they are only considering facts that favor one side. Guess who that is? And keep telling us how Zimmeramn not listening to dispatch means nada, zip, zero to the case. Nice legal analysis, lol.

 

Trayvon Martin had uploaded videos of himself and others in a "fight club" to his YouTube account. These videos had been scrubbed after he was shot, but nothing ever really disappears on the interwebs.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...von-martin-participating-in-local-fight-club/

His tattoos are visible in the video.

Also:

[video=youtube;Ll8jZuTkjPQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll8jZuTkjPQ&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

 

He did listen to dispatch. The dispatch said "we don't need you to do that", and Zimmerman stopped trailing Marting. Have you read a single thing in this thread? You're the one who went on an insane rant against neighborhood watch volunteers for simply trying to protect their homes.

Seems as if you're a very angry guy, and you also don't seem the least bit interested in actually trying to uncover facts about this tragic shooting.

 

Then how did he get to him to kill him? Did he teleport?

 

From the article you praised:

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.


Is there other evidence now? I know the police said this all could have been avoidable if he didn't leave the car.

I don't know why you are being such a slypokerdog about this. Usually people can disagee without being a jerk. To answer your question papag, yes I have read a single thing in this thread (see above quote), but thanks for asking.

 

Zimmerman should join the Xtreme Justice League.

Mr. Xtreme awaits your application

[video=youtube;odbxTef45ks]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odbxTef45ks[/video]

 

Seriously, can you read? He didn't follow the guy the last time. A robbery ensued. This time, he followed the guy, until dispatch told him the didn't need him to do that. He said "these assholes always get away" as he went back to his vehicle. 30 or so feet from his car, Zimmerman ended up killing Martin. Martin had two noticeable wounds. A bullet through his chest, and a finger lacerated from beating Zimmerman. Zimmerman had no injuries other than to his head.

I just wonder why you're so gung-ho to convict a guy who apparently was just trying to protect himself.

 

zimmerman got his ass kicked by a 17 year old, and then shot him out of embarrassment

might not be a crime though, i mean, he was about to get beaten to death, amirite?

 

I guess I can't read. The article you cited said he disregarded police advise. It doesn't say he went back to the car. Is that in another article you are talking about. (I'm hoping oldguy can find that because I can't yet)

I'm not gung ho to convict Zimmerman. I already acknowledged that Martin hit Zimmerman and that Martin probably had attitude because he ws being confrtonted and this time wasn't doing anything wrong which probably gives him more of an attitude. But I don't see this obvious he was "apparently just trying to protect himself." I understand that is what he is saying, but that is for a jury to decide . . . you get that right?

The big question is who was the aggressor. If Zimmerman was the aggressor then Martin hit Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot Martin, I don't think jury gives Z-man the self-defense. If they think Martin was the aggressor, then I think he will be not guilty because of self defense.

Why are you so quick to believe someone with a violent past, has done court order anger management, has racially stereotyped both in this case and in the past, was taking a cocktail of medication dealing with anxiety, disregared 911 dispatch and said he wasn't going to let this one get away . . . why are you so convinced he was not the aggressor? Self-defense? Maybe . . . maybe not

 

I had some time at lunch today, so I went looking for the transcript of the 911 call that I referenced above. I thought I had lost my mind, until I checked to see if there were two GZ/TM threads. The quote below was posted by PapaG (Post #438) of the "Imagine if You Were George Zimmerman" thread, which is currently on page 8 or 9 of the OT forum thread list.

I don't have a lot of time these days, so I'll have to wait to comment further.

 

Nice work, oldguy.

The more I hear about this story.... the more I feel that while GZ made some bad decisions, he isn't the bloodthirsty racist that he was originally painted out to be.

But you throw the black leaders (like Sharpton) out there, ranting to the media.... and it riles everyone up, and even a whiteboy like myself starts thinking, "Yeah, that dude must be racist." And I start feeling guilty for Trayvon, like our society built up this institution of racism.

Then, slowly, after we've already found GZ guilty and left him hanging in the public opinion, facts start coming out that would seem to soften the stance against GZ, and maybe, just maybe, he didn't provoke and instigate the situation with the intent to kill.

 

So I haven't really been following this very closely, really just thru this thread. But slowly I am sucked up into this case (damn it). With all the articles, photos, analysis . . . I found listening to the 911 call one of the more facinating pieces of evidence to all this. It doesn't reveal what happened at the confrontation between the two, but it is a very interesting piece of evidence that can be interpreted two different ways.

I don't hear that call as someone who is heading back to the car. I heard that call as someone who was pursuing. I also heard a person(Zimmerman) who was pissed at Martin and felt threatened by him but was calm and collected. He thought Martin had some kind of weapon which fits with the end result of this incident. Just a very interesting call, and for me, gives a lot of sight into the case. I think Zimmerman pursued Martin who knew he was being pursued (girlsfriend's statements). A confrontatation where both were feeling threatened by the other . . . . words, shoves, punches . . .. bang.

Anyways, anyone who is interested in this case should listen to the 911 call and judge for themselves (that is what the jury will be doing)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...e-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin

 

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...change-stories-ahead-zimmerman-133743219.html

 

Crazy shit. The problem I see with all of this..... You had all these witnesses who gave their story right after the accident.

Now, after a lot of time has passed.... everything that has been said and happened through the media.... about the events, the individuals involved, the theories and GZ's racist tendencies..... all the pressures of being a witness in such a volatile crime.... people's "memories" can change or be altered. Not saying that's what's happened here, but it certainly wouldn't be the first time. But who's to say the media and the attention this case has received hasn't altered the memories of the witnesses? That can create a lot of pressure, doubt, and uncertainty.

It wouldn't be the first time....

 

Zimmerman will be acquitted. No doubt about it. And he should be based on the evidence presented so far.