The Myth of the Dominant Center

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by maybeso, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    28,935
    Likes Received:
    9,593
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Phone Psychic
    Location:
    The Deep State, US and A.
    'Hoops Analyst' Ed Weiland is not a fan of Drummond.

    At best, according to their stats, he's nothing more than a good backup C.

    Ouch.
     
  2. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    18,353
    Likes Received:
    12,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    True. There are ways around every position, and examples for all of them.
     
  3. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    50,346
    Likes Received:
    22,531
    Trophy Points:
    113
    dominant centers don't just develop. you know they're coming because they are the once in a decade types (i.e. Oden) when they are coming into the draft.
     
  4. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    18,353
    Likes Received:
    12,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bynum has developed into a very good player.
     
  5. Wheels

    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2008
    Messages:
    16,260
    Likes Received:
    829
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Hood River, OR
    [​IMG]

    ????
     
  6. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    44,271
    Likes Received:
    26,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Weiland seems sort of like a Bill James of basketball person. Moneyball if you will
     
  7. Sedatedfork

    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2008
    Messages:
    7,955
    Likes Received:
    4,362
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Seattle
    Burnt biscuit award?
     
  8. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    28,935
    Likes Received:
    9,593
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Phone Psychic
    Location:
    The Deep State, US and A.
    If you go by his analysis you'd be in your best interest to leave this draft with:

    -Dion Waiters
    -John Henson
    -Jae Crowder
     
  9. OregonHuskerMan

    OregonHuskerMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    1,388
    Likes Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    West Linn
    You're kidding me, right... You're telling me because OKC, the Heat, Thunder and Spurs don't have a dominant center, they should be what we replicate?

    Do we have Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, Tim Duncan?
    Kevin Durant?
    LeBron + Wade?

    Sheesh. Lets not forget, the Bulls and Magic were both hampered in the playoffs, and they both have "legit" Centers.

    KG guarding Dwight? Noah isn't the best offensively, but he is really solid everywhere else.

    I guarantee the conference finals look different with Dwight/Noah/Rose than they did without them.

    How about we look at the past NBA Champs

    Perkins (legit size - solid starter)
    Tyson Chandler (legit size, top 5 center, DPOY this year - very good last year)
    Bynum, Gasol


    If we go back in further - a DOMINANT Center, with a strong supporting cast damn near always wins, excluding when they play the GOAT. Shaq, Duncan + Robinson.

    If we don't have a dominant center, we need AT least a polished offensive as well as above average defensive player manning the middle.
     
  10. Blaze01

    Blaze01 JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2004
    Messages:
    2,106
    Likes Received:
    50
    Trophy Points:
    48
    First of all, there are no dominant centers in this draft....2nd of all, what those teams should tell you is the need for 3 all star caliber type of players, preferably that can create offense for themselves....

    POR currently has 1 such player...

    PG & C are minor compared to filling THAT need first...
     
  11. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    50,346
    Likes Received:
    22,531
    Trophy Points:
    113
    will he ever become a Shaq/Hakeem/D-Rob?

    I doubt it.
     
  12. Rhal

    Rhal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2009
    Messages:
    12,997
    Likes Received:
    2,756
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    UPS
    Location:
    Portland
    Those type of centers you definitely know coming out they'll be amazing. A better question is could he be a Howard/Tyson/Ilbaka
     
  13. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    Not in my opinion.

    None of those 4 teams are even close to what I'd call "elite".
     
  14. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2009
    Messages:
    30,672
    Likes Received:
    8,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired, while you work!
    There are 2 causes of the demise of the great center:

    The drive to imitate European basketball.

    The lack of great center coaches. There were 4. Auerbach and Wooden retired voluntarily and died. Motta and Fitch were put out to pasture and still live. They knew how to funnel all offense and defense into the center and still win.
     
  15. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    44,271
    Likes Received:
    26,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL. Man that draft would piss me off
     
  16. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,976
    Likes Received:
    10,655
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I think that dominant centers win championships is a myth. Wilt had his troubles, as did Kareem. They won when they became secondary options on well rounded teams. The Magic have the closest thing to a dominant center, and struggle. Shaq needed Kobe and Wade as the alpha guys.

    The Bulls won 6 championships with Cartwright and Longley - neither was "dominant."
     
  17. RayDavies

    RayDavies Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2008
    Messages:
    458
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Portland
    The way today's NBA rules are constructed, elite wings are substantially more important than they used to be. I really don't see many traditional-style centers out there, anyway. Bynum, Howard, Hibbert?
     
  18. maybeso

    maybeso Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Occupation:
    Software Programmer
    Location:
    Shenandoah Valley
    These are by any objective criteria the best-performing and therefore elite teams of this season are they not? I agree with you that they may not qualify as some of the best teams of all time, but those are subjective determinations unless you count playoff wins or some such.

    Other NBA organizations were able to put together talent that got them to the final four and final two in the NBA tournament this year. They are dominant teams without a dominant center. There is more than one way to an NBA title.
     
  19. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    50,346
    Likes Received:
    22,531
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Shaq was the alpha on the lakers team. Not even close.

    {Poasted via palm pilot}
     
  20. Rhal

    Rhal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2009
    Messages:
    12,997
    Likes Received:
    2,756
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    UPS
    Location:
    Portland
    the fact Shaq/Duncan were in every finals from 99 to 07 says a lot.
    how many championship teams have won a title without an all NBA level big on the team?
    Sent from my LS670 using Tapatalk 2
     

Share This Page