I heard that rumor as well, and personally I don't think it makes sense for either team. Just another sign of how stupid of a GM Billy King is...
I don't like Dampier at all so I would take this for Dallas. Even though Dampier is good sometimes with his rebounding and Sixers fans usually are not very happy with Dalembert for some reason, he is only 25. He is a good shot blocker and rebounder and has a high FG%. I'd hate it if the Mavs do this. He's younger and better than Dampier at everything... I haven't seen Dalembert much but I'm guessing he could probably keep up with a fast paced offense better than Dampier too...
This would work well against Phoenix but against the majority of the teams in the league I would say Dampier is the better fit and clogs the middle better along with better rebounding. Both are offensive liabilities and tend to be boneheaded sometimes.
Dalembert's FG% was 53% and he average a couple more points so he's give you more there. They both averaged about the same amount of rebounds if you take away a little from Dalembert since he played a few more minutes. But you know he did average 2.4 blocks compared to Dampiers 1.3.... damn, I hope Dallas is giving something else. Why give up a good young center for an old, overpaid one who only has a few years left?
This makes no sense whatsoever for Philly. Might not be a bad deal for Dallas though. Dalembert is still fairly young and maybe a change of scenery helps the guy. I take the deal if I'm Dallas. But I can't imagine why the Sixers would want Dampier, he's not much an upgrade over Dally if at all, he's still overpaid, just older.
This rumor doesn't really have anything to it other then some guy on realgm saying it got proposed. Trade is bad, makes no sense for Dallas, why bring in a young guy when we have two right now in Diop and Benga. Dampier right now is the better player then Daly, and as of right now we know what Damp brings. With Daly, we don't. Also, no sense in making a big move like this, it goes against what our offseason goal of not blowing anything up. As for Philly, only makes sense if their going to try and win now. Otherwise, Daly is really a similar player(in terms of laziness/potential not reached) with a similar contract, but with upside and the luxury of being 5 years younger. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>This would work well against Phoenix but against the majority of the teams in the league I would say Dampier is the better fit and clogs the middle better along with better rebounding</div> Dalembert wouldn't be on the floor against Phoenix either. He can't guard Amare or Diaw and is a offensive liability.
I would like this for Dallas if it happenned. Neither player is great but Dampier is already 30 and his best years are clearly behind him. With good coaching(which Avery can give him), Dalembert actually has a chance to become a successful basketball player. I dont know why Philly would do this though...they are trading for an older player who doesnt have that much talent IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jul 27 2006, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This rumor doesn't really have anything to it other then some guy on realgm saying it got proposed. Trade is bad, makes no sense for Dallas, why bring in a young guy when we have two right now in Diop and Benga. Dampier right now is the better player then Daly, and as of right now we know what Damp brings. With Daly, we don't. Also, no sense in making a big move like this, it goes against what our offseason goal of not blowing anything up. As for Philly, only makes sense if their going to try and win now. Otherwise, Daly is really a similar player(in terms of laziness/potential not reached) with a similar contract, but with upside and the luxury of being 5 years younger. Dalembert wouldn't be on the floor against Phoenix either. He can't guard Amare or Diaw and is a offensive liability.</div>If you look at the stats then you can see that Damp is not better. I don't see Mbenga as a center of the future but Dallas fans know best I guess... Dalembert may not be that good on offense but he is much better than Diop and a little better than Damp. He'll do just as a good of a job as Diop can do. If Amare is at 100% by the end of the year he'll dunk over anyone so it wouldn't matter.
I think Dalembert would be fine against Phoenix. He has a much better chance of getting into the game than Dampier. He does some of the same things Diop does but Dampier can't run the floor like that so he would be useless against Phoenix.
I hope this is just one of those rumors like the ones Gambo throws out about the Suns. I would really hate this. I like the Suns chances this year but the Mavs don't need to be getting any better.... Maybe this is Dalembert and Igoudala for Dampier and Josh Howard. :happy0144:
That's the only reason you can say for Dallas to do it. But right now we have a center with the capability of passing Dalembert in Diop. With Damp, we have two different types of centers we can throw on the floor in different situations. Also, no point in throwing another young center again when we have two right now. Damp's play is more then just about stats. You don't see his contributions in the stats. Just a stupid comment. Watch him play for us and know why he was such a factor in us making the Finals all of last season. As for Benga, he has about the same potential Dalembert has really. Diop will pass Dalembert, so why do we need Dalembert's contract? His offense still sucks zona, who gives a sh*t if it's better then Diop's and Damp's. That's hardly saying anything. And there are situations where Damp will be needed. See how that fits nicely with both centers. And I still disagree with Dalembert seeing the floor. His IQ is bad, Avery doesn't like low IQ players, he wouldn't be on the floor under Avery. And running the floor can't be the only reason that he would see time. Diop saw time because he actually did a decent job of defending. You can't say that with Dalembert.
I doubt this rumour has any truth to it because any team in the NBA would pull the trigger on a Dampier for Dalembert trade if they were getting Dalembert. Dalebert is only 25 and has shown signs of dominance, this guy has an amazing build and has some serious hops. Consistancy is his only problem, some games he puts up 25 and 14 others he puts up 7 and 7....If he didnt play for the Sixers where they have CWebb taking a ton of shots from the elbow or AI doing all the scoring or passing to AI, then Dalembert would flourish.Im a big fan of his game and think he can definitly develop into an elite Centre in the NBA. As for Dampier, I really liked his game during his last season with GS he was putting up double double numbers night in and night out...but then again it was a contract year.
You made some good points Rok, I do think Dampier is good for the Mavs and give them two different centers. I just think Dalembert is better right now and will be much much better in the future. Having both Diop and Dalembert in the future would be great. Dampier is old and very overpaid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MosDefinitely @ Jul 28 2006, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I doubt this rumour has any truth to it because any team in the NBA would pull the trigger on a Dampier for Dalembert trade if they were getting Dalembert. Dalebert is only 25 and has shown signs of dominance, this guy has an amazing build and has some serious hops. Consistancy is his only problem, some games he puts up 25 and 14 others he puts up 7 and 7....If he didnt play for the Sixers where they have CWebb taking a ton of shots from the elbow or AI doing all the scoring or passing to AI, then Dalembert would flourish.Im a big fan of his game and think he can definitly develop into an elite Centre in the NBA. As for Dampier, I really liked his game during his last season with GS he was putting up double double numbers night in and night out...but then again it was a contract year.</div>Dalembert would flourish?! Are you kidding me? He has no offensive game, other than getting alley-oops from AI, and dunking the ball off a pass when his defender goes to double somebody who is penetrating. His defense is FAR from dominant... and he has a long way to go to become an elite center in the league. He shows flashes... but he is WAY too inconsistent. There is a reason why Steven Hunter took his starting job in the middle of the season... no to mention Dalembert has a huge ego, low basketball IQ, bad contract, bad work ethic, and the worst hands in the league.
Thank you for that bigmo, it amazes me to see how many people think Dalembert is better then Dampier right now. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Originally Posted by angryllamaI have to agree with this. I know that it's offseason, and its fun to play the annual "trade Damp?" game, but there really isnt another player like him in the NBA. He's a rebounding stud, and plays solid post defense. When he played in the playoffs, he played well. He had a GREAT finals. Outstanding. He might not satiate your wildest dreams, but he does his job well. Am I worried about him "not getting on the floor" against PHX? Not one bit. PHX used an extremely small lineup to get Damp off of the floor. Shawn Marion and Diaw were their front court. Mavs in 6. No problem. They have two athletic centers in case a team goes small. Diop proved to handle the job just fine and DJ is coming along. Is there really much difference between DJ and Dalembert? Yes. Wasted cap space.</div> That sums it up for me perfectly, when your a team coming off the Finals, you need ready players, not guys who you wait on later down the line and still might not ever get there. I rather pay Damp a guy who we know will be there NOW, then a guy who isn't and might not ever be. Also, Damp's contract is bashed too much, he has incentives such as being a All-Star for a certain amount of times and games/minutes played. Both of which happening are pretty slim of him achieving. So his contract will be shorter and less.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ArizonaFan @ Jul 27 2006, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you look at the stats then you can see that Damp is not better. I don't see Mbenga as a center of the future but Dallas fans know best I guess... Dalembert may not be that good on offense but he is much better than Diop and a little better than Damp. He'll do just as a good of a job as Diop can do. If Amare is at 100% by the end of the year he'll dunk over anyone so it wouldn't matter. </div>Diop is extremely underrated-He hustles,Blocks really good,Rebounds Decent,Can Guard other big menThis is the better trade for Dallas. Damp lost hiss starting spot because of Diop.SD will bring youth to the team and is pretty similar to Damp. Philly gets a a starting overpaid vet. Dallas gets a future role player.
I don't know a whole lot about Dalembert. It would be interesting to see what he can do with us. I guess my question is not how much he is like Damp, but how much he is like Diop. As you may remember, our acquisition of Diop was considered laughable. Now he is considered a very good center with the Mavs. He has gotten in shape and been anything but lazy. There has been some mention of Dalembert being lazy in this thread, so that's why I bring it up. Maybe a new atmosphere and new encouragement could bring his game up a bit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pinoyballa @ Jul 28 2006, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Diop is extremely underrated-He hustles,Blocks really good,Rebounds Decent,Can Guard other big menThis is the better trade for Dallas. Damp lost hiss starting spot because of Diop.SD will bring youth to the team and is pretty similar to Damp. Philly gets a a starting overpaid vet. Dallas gets a future role player.</div>I know Diop os underrated. I saw plenty of him this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 28 2006, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know a whole lot about Dalembert. It would be interesting to see what he can do with us. I guess my question is not how much he is like Damp, but how much he is like Diop. As you may remember, our acquisition of Diop was considered laughable. Now he is considered a very good center with the Mavs. He has gotten in shape and been anything but lazy. There has been some mention of Dalembert being lazy in this thread, so that's why I bring it up. Maybe a new atmosphere and new encouragement could bring his game up a bit.</div>I doubt a change of scenery will do him any good. If he can't play for a coach like Maurice Cheeks, I don't think he'll like playing for Avery. Avery just seems like he demands more out of his players, and every time somebody says something to Dalembert he starts pouting and acting like a little baby. I mean, in the middle of the season he lost his starting spot because of an injury, and then he expected to start again as soon as he got back... when Hunter was playing very, very well. What happened? Dalembert started crying, didn't want to come off the bench, and when he was in the game he played the worst basketball he ever played.Don't get me wrong, as a Sixer fan I don't want to trade him because he has a lot of potential, but as of right now it doesn't look like he'll reach his potential unless a dramatic change takes place in the way he approaches the game.The Mavs are better off with Damp and Diop... Dalembert is just going to be a disappointment in Dallas as well.
