i still have him in my top 5 as far as PG's go.But wether it was in Charlotte or Golden State, i don't think he delivered the way that the managemwnt wanted him to.He had a more than decent supporting cast in Charlotte considering how bad the East was back then, and now in Golden State, they have good young talent (I thought they were better than the Grizzlies), but they can't seem to put it together.Is Baron Davis a franchise player?
I would say no, when I think of players I want to build my team around which is what I define as a franchise player, Baron Davis hardly comes to my mind as one of those guys.
Like Steve Francis and Marbury, players like him just aren't good leaders and not true PG's. They aren't good enough defenders and not large enough to be great SG's, so it's an akward position to be in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 28 2006, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Like Steve Francis and Marbury, players like him just aren't good leaders and not true PG's. They aren't good enough defenders and not large enough to be great SG's, so it's an akward position to be in.</div>Gilbert Arenas does it. But no, Baron hasn't proven that he can win.
Gilbert is a very big exception, though. The track record isn't very good for those types of players. They are extremely difficult to build around (just look at AI) and because of the way they play and their size, it is tough to make them a franchise player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 28 2006, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gilbert is a very big exception, though. The track record isn't very good for those types of players. They are extremely difficult to build around (just look at AI) and because of the way they play and their size, it is tough to make them a franchise player.</div>Right, and even AI and Gilbert (so far) haven't been able to win a championship, but they're certainly franchise players. Overall, I think it's heart that seperates these two more than anything else, because you could argue that Davis, Marbury and Francis are all more talented than Arenas.
No. He is a dumbass who can't shoot and shoots a terrible percentage. He is a pretty good passer, but no, he isn't a franchise player. No team would want to build around Baron freaking Davis.
There is no way Baron Davis is a franchise player. When healthy, he is a damn good player, but he certainly is not a "franchise cornerstone" type of guy. His best years came playing next to Jamal Mashburn.
I love Baron and he's an exceptional talent. Had he not been injury-struck, my answer (and most of yours) would be different. At this stage, no I don't think he's a franchise player. He's a good player, very talented, but not a guy I would want to build around.He's an excellent passer, a deadly 3-pt shooter (but at times gets carried away), strong, fast, unselfish, and he can light up a scoreboard. But at the same time, he is not a guy to be labeled your franchise player. Excellent second option though.
Deadly 3 point shooter? He shoots .315 from three. I don't know about you, but I would not call that deadly..
CRAZY!!!!! baron davis??!!! NO WAY! that's like saying udonis haslem is a franchise player, he nice to have does a lot to help the team win but without a great player on his side he'd be in the lottery every year
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 28 2006, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Deadly 3 point shooter? He shoots .315 from three. I don't know about you, but I would not call that deadly..</div>He is an excellent 3-pt shooter. But hence the fact I wrote (but gets carried away sometimes). He may take a little too many, but he can hit. He's definitely not a guy you want to leave too much room when he's out there.
francise player?No, he sure can light up the score board tho. If I were to rebuild I would not want this guy running my team as the PG, this guy is a scorer first and passer second, although extremly talent at both. The thing that turns me off are his horrible percentages, he shoots below .400 from the 3 and fg and below .700 from the ft...those are disgusting percentages for a PG you cannot be your teams worst free throw shooter!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 28 2006, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He is an excellent 3-pt shooter. But hence the fact I wrote (but gets carried away sometimes). He may take a little too many, but he can hit. He's definitely not a guy you want to leave too much room when he's out there.</div>Sorry, but anyone who shoots that low a percentage, no matter how many 3's they take isn't an excellent 3 pt shooter to me..
No.His playmaking skills keep people thinking that he is a good PG, which he isn't. Too many turnovers for a PG.His shooting percentages all suck. Not a franchise player.
I think someone needs to try him at 2 guard. He's about the same size (I think?) and on about the same level atheletically as Fred Jones. His scoring skills are so good, I think he should move to the 2 permanently. I'm sure he wouldn't want to though.
That mean's he would have to guard guys like Kobe Bryant out in the West.... that won't work out too well
I don't think he is. His injuries and his attitude have been problems. He can't get along with any of his coaches, he can't stay healthy for a full season. He's a great talent, but not a franchise player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Jul 29 2006, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That mean's he would have to guard guys like Kobe Bryant out in the West.... that won't work out too well</div>Who cares about defense lol. Just kidding, but with someone like Kobe, unless it's Bowen or Artest, I don't think it matters who's guarding him. The Blazers put Steve Blake on him, and he actually slows him down a little.
