Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? now that I think about it, Pat Croche & Billy King have tried many players to mesh with AI.Jerry StackhouseLarry hughesEric SnowDikembe MutumboToni KukocKeith Van HornRaja BellChris WebberTheo RatliffMatt HarpringWhich one was the best? Or.....Is it a tie and they all lose?
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? First of all, half of those don't even qualify as "sidekicks," and although some of the names sound good next to Iverson, they really weren't:Stackhouse - Although Stack and AI got along very well, their entourages were the ones who clashed and caused problems and what not, so finally the Sixers traded Stackhouse away. It would have been great to see them play next to each other for ten years.Larry Hughes - This is one of the guys who I wished we kept. Although, when we had him, he was young, had a bad shot, and didn't fit into Larry Brown's system. Imagine them together now...Eric Snow - This guy did wonders for AI, but he wasn't really a "sidekick." He was more of a complimentary player. Wish we still had him.Dikembe Mutombo - THIS IS MY PICK FOR HIS BEST SIDEKICK. Why? Because Iverson is at his best with strong, defensive-minded role players around him... and who better than Mutombo? That is one of the mistakes that people make in saying that it isn't easy to build around AI... when the fact of the matter is that it IS easy to build around him, it's just that Billy King has gone about it in all the wrong ways. Instead of surronding him with more defensive players, he tried to make it a run-and-gun system. That would have worked without Chris Webber... but Webber just doesn't fit into that kind of scheme.Toni Kukoc - Garbage.KVH - He was a major disappointment. He was brought in to post up the smaller man, grab rebounds, bang a little down low and then provide outside shooting. Unfortunately, he didn't do nearly as well in all of those categories as we would have liked him to, not to mention his fragile ego couldn't take the rigors of a coach like LB.Raja Bell - He wasn't a sidekick... he was a role player.Chris Webber - Major disappointment in terms of team success. Yeah, he's averaging 20 and 10, but he's shooting 40% to get that 20 points. No wonder the Petries wanted to get rid of him...Theo Ratliff - He was just like Mutombo for us. The only reason he's gone is because he broke his hand in 2001, and we needed a replacement so we traded him for Deke.Matt Harpring - He was solid, but wasn't much of a second option. This is the kind of player I wish we had as a third option, but not a second.Billy King wasted Iverson's prime by building around him the wrong way. Look at 2001... AI can carry a team offensively, and all he needs around him are guys who hustle and score their points off of putbacks, and kick-outs from his penetration. If they are a really good defensive team, they allow Iverson to gamble more by playing the passing lanes and not worry about sticking his man all the time. That is the kind of team AI needs to be successful. Yeah, it would be nice to have scorers who can play great defense, but that is very rare in this day and age.
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jul 28 2006, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, half of those don't even qualify as "sidekicks," and although some of the names sound good next to Iverson, they really weren't:Stackhouse - Although Stack and AI got along very well, their entourages were the ones who clashed and caused problems and what not, so finally the Sixers traded Stackhouse away. It would have been great to see them play next to each other for ten years.Larry Hughes - This is one of the guys who I wished we kept. Although, when we had him, he was young, had a bad shot, and didn't fit into Larry Brown's system. Imagine them together now...Eric Snow - This guy did wonders for AI, but he wasn't really a "sidekick." He was more of a complimentary player. Wish we still had him.Dikembe Mutombo - THIS IS MY PICK FOR HIS BEST SIDEKICK. Why? Because Iverson is at his best with strong, defensive-minded role players around him... and who better than Mutombo? That is one of the mistakes that people make in saying that it isn't easy to build around AI... when the fact of the matter is that it IS easy to build around him, it's just that Billy King has gone about it in all the wrong ways. Instead of surronding him with more defensive players, he tried to make it a run-and-gun system. That would have worked without Chris Webber... but Webber just doesn't fit into that kind of scheme.Toni Kukoc - Garbage.KVH - He was a major disappointment. He was brought in to post up the smaller man, grab rebounds, bang a little down low and then provide outside shooting. Unfortunately, he didn't do nearly as well in all of those categories as we would have liked him to, not to mention his fragile ego couldn't take the rigors of a coach like LB.Raja Bell - He wasn't a sidekick... he was a role player.Chris Webber - Major disappointment in terms of team success. Yeah, he's averaging 20 and 10, but he's shooting 40% to get that 20 points. No wonder the Petries wanted to get rid of him...Theo Ratliff - He was just like Mutombo for us. The only reason he's gone is because he broke his hand in 2001, and we needed a replacement so we traded him for Deke.Matt Harpring - He was solid, but wasn't much of a second option. This is the kind of player I wish we had as a third option, but not a second.Billy King wasted Iverson's prime by building around him the wrong way. Look at 2001... AI can carry a team offensively, and all he needs around him are guys who hustle and score their points off of putbacks, and kick-outs from his penetration. If they are a really good defensive team, they allow Iverson to gamble more by playing the passing lanes and not worry about sticking his man all the time. That is the kind of team AI needs to be successful. Yeah, it would be nice to have scorers who can play great defense, but that is very rare in this day and age.</div><u>WOW GREAT POST!!!</u> I could not have said it better my self.Iverson never really had a good sidekick next to him. Those who might look good on paper they were either to young, or to old like Webber on one leg.I been saying this now it's to late, but when Artest was on the block we should have traded everyone to get him except the 2 AI's. Why? Because he can score, get steals, even assists, but more important he plays great D. I mean Sac only gave up Peja come on you tell me they would not take Sammy, Korver, Salmons, picks w/e it took all them could have been traded since they suck anyway except Sammy on blocks thats about it.Arg I am mad as crap that BK is not fired yet I have no idea what the owners is thinking.We all need to take stuff public make a site to fire Billy King like the Phillies fans did for Ed Wade, and take it to the media who knows maybe we can drive him out of Philly.
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Jul 28 2006, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>WOW GREAT POST!!!</u> I could not have said it better my self.Iverson never really had a good sidekick next to him. Those who might look good on paper they were either to young, or to old like Webber on one leg.I been saying this now it's to late, but when Artest was on the block we should have traded everyone to get him except the 2 AI's. Why? Because he can score, get steals, even assists, but more important he plays great D. I mean Sac only gave up Peja come on you tell me they would not take Sammy, Korver, Salmons, picks w/e it took all them could have been traded since they suck anyway except Sammy on blocks thats about it.Arg I am mad as crap that BK is not fired yet I have no idea what the owners is thinking.We all need to take stuff public make a site to fire Billy King like the Phillies fans did for Ed Wade, and take it to the media who knows maybe we can drive him out of Philly.</div>We made a call to Indiana for Artest... and they weren't trading him to the Sixers unless they got Iguodala in return. Atleast that is one good move Billy King made by not trading away Iguodala... he has the potential to be a Ron Artest type of player without the craziness of course.
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? How about Aaron McKie? I dont know alot about him, but I heard he was a pretty good all-around player. Dont know if he was a role player or not.
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? Mo Mo nailed it right on the head..Guess that's why Tayshaun is like my 2nd fav. player..
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jul 28 2006, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Eric Snow - This guy did wonders for AI, but he wasn't really a "sidekick." He was more of a complimentary player. Wish we still had him.</div>Even though you go to texas, you should know it's complementary. Ohsnap, called you out. But you hit everything else right on the head; Mutumbo is about the only one you could even consider close to a sidekick.
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jul 28 2006, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about Aaron McKie? I dont know alot about him, but I heard he was a pretty good all-around player. Dont know if he was a role player or not.</div>He wasn't a sidekick... he was a role player. He was great for us in 2001 when he won the Sixth Man of the Year Award, but after that he had some injury problems, not to mention that heart complication. Wish we still had him too.
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? Execellent post BigMo..I would also choose Mutombo out of all of those players.
Re: Who is/was AI's best sidekick??? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jul 28 2006, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We made a call to Indiana for Artest... and they weren't trading him to the Sixers unless they got Iguodala in return. Atleast that is one good move Billy King made by not trading away Iguodala... he has the potential to be a Ron Artest type of player without the craziness of course.</div>I know, but that was a 2nd call I am pretty sure. Before that the first time they did not ask for Iguodala not sure what it was I am guessing a package that included Sammy before they asked for Iguodala. And the reason he did not do the deal the first time was, because he still though Sammy can break out, but more important it was because he was afraid Artest would cause the same problems as TO. Billy King did not even want Artest at first. I don't know who talked to him to try to get him later maybe Iverson, but then when he reconsidered they wanted Iguodala. And your right it was a good move not trading him for Iguodala like I said the 2 AI's should have stayed, and BK should not have worried and just pulled the trade from the first phone call before when they did not want Iguodala at first.Also before Artest was traded when he was on the block.............Webber was driving out after the game, and stoped to sign some autographs there was only a few people it was late so after the few people got him I asked him what he thought about trading for Artest....................He said: "Yea that be great we need that. It would make me very happy if he came to Philly."Then I asked Sammy the same when he stoped. His answer was:............"No that dude is a trouble maker" (I should have told him atleast he is a good player unlike you, but I did not wanna be a *ss. lol)And then someone else I for get who either Korver, or Iguodala when I asked just said: .......... "Yes I think it's a great idea."But what I liked was what C-Webb said he actually said more then a few words. I think it was him, and Iverson who talked BK into actually considering trading for Artest. Ah ow well what could have been if BK actually listened to AI, and C-Webb's advice. And not have listened to Andy Reids advice.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jul 28 2006, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How about Aaron McKie? I dont know alot about him, but I heard he was a pretty good all-around player. Dont know if he was a role player or not.</div>Like BigMO said he was a role player for us. He was amazing in 01 when we went to the finals he got 6th man award.
