Minnesota wants Batum @ 11.25M a year

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

And I'm telling you that it doesn't matter if Batum signs his offer sheet one second before Hibbert in terms of having to match.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Again, we are saying if the league goes off of time submitted. Do you know how they do it? If Batum's offer is submitted at 12:15Am, and Hibbert's at 12:16 AM, then technically we would have to match or decline 3 days after 12:15 Am, and indy would have until 12:16. If we had not heard from Indy by 12:15, we would need to decide on Batum. and if we decide to match, then we no longer have the cap space to fulfill the initial offer to Hibbert.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Do you have a link to how the league determines it?

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

I wanna know exactly how it works, damnit

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Wait, so they are offering around $12m/per?

Neil has to look at other options. Let him go or try to work out a S&T, maybe pry the available Derrick Williams.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

I assume the way they determined it during the truncated FA period last winter. I'd like to see the link that states that a team's FA offer can be invalidated because their own RFA signs an offer sheet literally seconds before the other target. Find me that, because I can't find it anywhere.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

What insinuates it is that once a team matches, the matched contract is the player's new caphold. If Batum's contract is matched first, theoretically his caphold would wipe out the cap space that the Blazers are using to extend Hibbert the offer.

I understand what you're saying about how it seems like it would be a silly system to base it on who gets their offers in on a second-by-second basis, but I haven't yet seen anything that conclusively shows whether the league does do that, or whether they have a "grace period," like all contracts submitted on the same day are considered "at the same time" and the player's caphold on the match doesn't go up til the end of the day of the match.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

The thought that Hibbert's entire 3 day waiting period can be basically wiped away after the fact, all because Nic Batum signed a contract 1 second earlier, is absurd. It defies common sense.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

So, in the scenario where seconds count, a team's entire FA plan could go up in flames simply based on when it is determined an offer sheet was signed. As I said, if that's the case, then the league had better have videoconferencing set up with real-time observers. Even with that, what if it's too close to call? Does Portland just say hell, no biggie, so we keep Batum but lose Hibbert, just because Minnesota says Batum beat Hibbert by one second on signing his deal.

This isn't an episode of 24.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Maybe when it's submitted to the league office for approval?

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Seems obvious to me.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

I'm a bit confounded that some devoted fans would rather have a worse team, with fewer assets, than spend an extra $2mil of Paul Allen's money on Nicolas Batum, whom said fans would deem to be thus overpaid. The amount of empathy among these fans for our owner makes me weep with joy.


<<< This is me, weeping with joy.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Well put RR7. That's how I'm understanding it. Why would the league give you an entire day grace people on your cap space? Generally they're pretty rigid in their interpretation of fair and how teams use their space.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

What if one team has a slower internet connection than another, sent it first, but the league processed the other because they received it first?

What if the fax machine gets a jam at the worst possibly moment?

Hey, what if the pen the player is using runs out of ink or jams, meaning the other player finishes signing his deal first!!

Franchises are at stake on the things we can't control!

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

if/when we match Batum's offer sheet, THAT is what counts on our cap space, not his QO.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Why is this so hard to understand? Are we really being that unclear? Forget Hibbert for a minute. If the Blazers match Batum's offer from Minnesota, are they still only counting his QO cap hold? If Minnesota offers him 12 million per year, and we decide to match the offer within the 3 day time limit, will we lose the 12 million in cap space?

You have three days to match an offer on a RFA. Three days. I'm assuming those three days start from the minute they are received by the league office. If the league receives Batum's offer before Hibberts, that should mean that we have less time to match Batum's deal than Indy has to match Hibberts. They can just wait it out and if we decide to match Batum's offer, we no longer have the cap space to give Hibbert a max contract.

How is that so confusing?

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Because it's impossible to really know who signed their contract first, and it makes no sense to have an entire 3-day period wasted for a player (and team) when that contract can become invalid at literally the last second. That would be a fairly shitty way to run a league, and since the only people I've heard it from are a few on this board, I'm going to assume that the league has a better process in place than a Chinese Fire Drill at 12am EDT July 11th.

Hell, if seconds do matter, then the most important person in the organization isn't the GM, coach, or owner, but rather who can operate a fax machine the best, and better than 29 other teams.

 

Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

Then they're screwed. The clock starts as soon as the league receives the signed contract from the team that's submitting it. 72 hours to match. You can either match within those 72 hours or you can pass, but if one offer is submitted before another, I would guess you have less time to match than the other team. I highly doubt the league is looking at a day as a whole period of time and not hours or even minutes to determine first come, first serve.