Minnesota wants Batum @ 11.25M a year

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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Because it's a stupid ass way to run a FA period, and it fucks over teams and players based on who has the faster fax machine or internet connection.

    You're the one claiming this is the case, and it actually would have serious implications if . Please show me where a gap of literally one second matters on this process. I'd love to see it. All I remember of the Millsap match by Utah was that they had under midnight 7 days after that signing, and the deadline was midnight EDT, not whenever the league says they received a piece of paper.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    It doesn't matter who signed first. It matters who submits the offer to the league first, and who is received by the league first. Nobody said it was fair.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    You're making some fairly bold claims here. Please show me where this is the case. In the past, RFAs had to be matched by midnight EDT on the 7th day, regardless of what time it was signed. If something in the new CBA changed that, please show me.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Why not just have everything signed and dated for July 10, 2012 and submitted the offer to the NBA days in advanced.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    I literally don't believe you on this one. Where are you getting your information? Again, so if a fax machine gets jammed, or if somebody at the league office has the phone off the hook for a minute, then a team's entire FA period, and a player's, starts from Square One?

    Uh uh. I just don't believe it.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q43

    As with any contract offer, a team must have enough room -- either cap room or room provided by an exception -- for the offer sheet. They must also maintain sufficient room while the offer sheet is outstanding -- e.g., they can't sign a restricted free agent to an offer sheet, and then use up all their cap room by signing another free agent during the three-day waiting period.

    Likewise, the player's prior team cannot match an offer sheet that is greater than their room. They must have enough room -- again, either cap room or a satisfactory exception -- at the time they are given notice that the player has signed an offer sheet, and at all times until matching. They cannot make moves to create sufficient room after receiving an offer sheet.

    (The exception in question here is bird rights, I'm pretty sure).
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Nate's point will be that doesn't matter, and what matters is where in the queue a signed contract is spit out in the league office.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    With muti-millions at stake. Having a courier at the door when the NBA office opens is the safest way (along with faxing and telephone call).
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    It's not my rule. I'm telling you how I understand the rules. If I'm wrong that's great and I hope I am, but you keep saying it has been debunked and I'm telling you that what I thought was debunked was the idea that Batum's offer from Minnesota would automatically come on our cap until we either match or pass. I haven't seen anything that debunks my understanding of the rules.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Personally, if Batum signs an offer sheet at the very first moment, to me it says he does not want to be here.

    He knows what's at stake for the team. I mean, I'd hate to not match Batum, then have Indy match Hibbert. But if Nic's trying to stick it to us, then I'd think he simply doesn't want to be here.

    And not that I expect any favors from KP.... but perhaps we could at least send Indy something to get them to make their decision more quickly, even if only an hour in advance of the deadline (money, a draft pick, Claver, etc.).
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Hire a courier with MMA skills, because it still matters when the league gets it, and there may be couriers from other teams there trying to hand off their precious cargo to whoever is there at midnight. Maybe send Chael Sonnen in case things get a bit rough as people are trying to enter the front door.

    Better still, hire a hacker to shut down every other team's network (phone and internet) at 12am on July 11th, just to be safe.

    MMA couriers and hackers may be extreme, but not when seconds matter!
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    What sounds more realistic to you:

    1. Contracts are submitted to the league for approval, and a three day timer is started as soon as they are received for a team to match that offer. If an offer is matched, the cap space is used and the player is retained by their team.

    2. Contracts are submitted to the league for approval, and are given a date where they can match any time within the 24 hours of that day. If it's submitted on Monday, you've got until Thursday, because obviously you need three full days to match and not half of a day. That wouldn't be fair.

    Seriously, what sounds more realistic, that someone is given three days from the exact time they submit the order, or three full business days regardless of what time it's submitted. And if someone matches and eats up all your cap space, that doesn't matter because you had the cap space when you submitted the order and even though you matched BEFORE that deal was consummated, you should still get the cap space, right? Because that's fair.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    we're saying we are unsure, but believe it is this way, you think otherwise, that's fine. Why the obnoxiousness, though, instead of just discussing the topic? none of us 100% know for sure.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    You mean other than common sense, right?
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    I have no idea what we offered Batum, or what he wanted, but had we signed him for 10 million per season earlier this year, we would still have enough under the cap to sign Hibbert if we stretched Williams or renounced Freeland and or Claver
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    lol... Whatever, I'm not getting sucked into another one of your dramatic moments.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    Hey, if seconds matter, wouldn't it be prudent to do everything under the sun to ensure that the Hibbert signing occurs before Batum's? I'm not being obnoxious, I'm just wondering how logistically such an absurd way to run a FA period could be the reality.

    Seriously, why not hire someone to knock out the Timberwolves communication network? Or should the Blazers just leave it to chance, and get left with their dick in their hand because Minnesota got their offer in a second before Portland, meaning all of Portland's FA period has been for nothing (and Hibbert's as well).
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    at the time, though, we still could have potentially been stuck with Crawford or Wallace on our salary. likely wasn't worth the risk.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    yeah, not being obnoxious. And you wonder why most of the pissing matches on here are with you. whatever. None of us know 100% for sure. Maybe we can get confirmation from someone who does.
     
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    Re: Minnesota wants Batum @ ~12M a year

    I'm being serious. Does what you describe seem at all logical to you? Really? A jammed fax machine is all it takes for one team to be completely screwed, as well as that team's FA target. I don't buy it.
     
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