Whoever it is that is arguing that Marquis Daniels isnt as good as Jeffries because he wasn't drafted is making a big mistake. Jeffries has been a plague to our team's offense the past 2 years, all he brought to our team is a slight bit of defense but not what we expect from a PF, as Zards points out Daniels puts up starter numbers, Jeffries doesn't, also for your reasoning about how he wasnt drafted, Gil was drafted second round... I would rather have someone who can shoot, than can't. If the Knicks want Daniels for him they're getting the good end of the deal. Also this isn't hate against Jeffries thread, and I wouldnt mind him having a spot on the Wiz but he was in no position to be a starter next year, only reason he was, was because of hayes injuries and now without Jeffries we can start focusing on the future *cough* Deshawn Stevenson.
Zards, the fact that your bringing up points that shows he and Daniels are really in the same boat, but Daniels got the MLE, but yet is not lamented overpaid is just showing why I think it's stupid people are saying Jefferies is overpaid. Again, I brung up points that shows why Daniels is not that good, and you did the same with Jefferies. Bottom line both got MLE, and only one is lamented overpaid. Makes no sense. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Whoever it is that is arguing that Marquis Daniels isnt as good as Jeffries because he wasn't drafted is making a big mistake.</div> You misread that, I said Daniels was undrafted for a reason. Meaning I wasn't comparing him to Jefferies, I was merely pointing out Daniels' faults and why he went undrafted.
I understand that you've been pointing out why Daniels isn't amazing but Zards and now me are saying that he is better than Jeffries, and have proven our points before, Daniels is on another level than Jeffries, If you're a starter and are averaging bench numbers you don't deserve a ridiculous contract, Daniels would be much more useful than Jeffries.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Jul 30 2006, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>where the hell did marquis daniels come into this?</div>NY is possibely signing Jeffries for a trade which will involve them getting Marquis Daniels from the Pacers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NY is possibely signing Jeffries for a trade which will involve them getting Marquis Daniels from the Pacers.</div> Where'd you hear that from? That's the dumbest thing I've heard. No where have I read nor is it possible for Knicks to sign Jefferies, then trade him for Marquis Daniels. They'll signing Jefferies outright to be on the roster. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>where the hell did marquis daniels come into this?</div> I brung him up as an example of a player who got the MLE and can be said as being overpaid just as Jefferies is now. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Daniels isn't amazing but Zards and now me are saying that he is better than Jeffries, and have proven our points before, Daniels is on another level than Jeffries</div> Daniels is not that better then Jefferies. What level is that? From sub-par to average? So that much difference in a player shows why Daniels is not overpaid and Jefferies is. Ridiculous. Daniels has been averaging what? Definately not any starter numbers since he got his contract. So how is he on another level?
Okay, since the numbers seem to be an issue for you lets bring them out:Marquis DanielsPG: 10.2RPG: 3.6APG: 2.8Jared JeffriesPG: 6.4RPG: 4.9APG: 1.9Keep in mind that Daniels did not start. Also about the whole Daniels trade for Jeffries I thought I saw someone say that it was for a trade for Daniels somewhere in this forum.Edit: I see what I did wrong about Daniels/Jeffries trade thing. Yesterday I saw a post in another one of the 5 Jeffries to NY threads that he was possibely being traded for Quentin Richardson, and when i saw Marquis Daniels here today in another one of the threads and thought it was him. I only looked at the second page (debate between you and Zards) and assumed thats how it started.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, since the numbers seem to be an issue for you lets bring them out:Marquis DanielsPG: 10.2RPG: 3.6APG: 2.8Jared JeffriesPG: 6.4RPG: 4.9APG: 1.9</div>Wow, those numbers by Daniels should be worth the whole MLE. I watched Daniels more then you have, and I know what he's capable of. But he will never be a great starter in this league. He's inconsistent and has had his share of injuries preventing any improvements in his game. He's a tweener as well who doesn't have the pg skills to be a pg, nor the shooting range to be a complete sg. As for those numbers you listed, the only thing that is even good is his ppg and your telling me right now that a 10 ppg player deserves the MLE and is not overpaid? And that is basically what the basis of why I even brought Daniels up in the first place. Don't tell me one player is overpaid and ignore another. Double standard.Oh and about the Daniels did not start. I looked up those stats and it shows Daniels played 3 more minutes then Jeffries, so why even bother bringing up that Daniels did not start, when Jeffries did not even average starter minutes. But the thing is, I already went through this before about Daniels stats over the past 2 years. Their skewed in his favor. He steps in and plays a certain amount of games/minutes, because of injuries, blowouts. So what happens, playing time goes up, stats go up. But it doesn't count in all 82 games, where Daniels was injured, did not play because he was terrible/rusty, which he did most of the time last year. Don't tell me right now Daniels was guaranteed 10 points every game because he wasn't.
The minutes are because he didnt start pretty early in the year, he did get starter minutes especially during the playoffs when it mattered. start however he would be much more sutied to start than Jeffries who did start. Jeffries is just as injury prone if not more, however you say his injuries stop him from improving his game? He's entering his 4th year in the league he has plenty of time to improve and has shown before with the Mavs that he can. Also Jeffries contract reaches 33 mil and he sure doesn't deserve it, Daniels would be much more suited for that money. As for what you said about the injuries i've gone over this many times Jeffries is also injury proned.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He's entering his 4th year in the league he has plenty of time to improve and has shown before with the Mavs that he can.</div> He didn't live up to his contract, bottom line. So Mavs shipped him off because he still wasn't going to get any time here. And the same thing can be said for Jeffries with that statement. Also, I'm telling you Daniels is injury prone and your saying Jeffries is injury prone. I could care less about that. I'm telling you about Daniels because he's overpaid, but you think not. That's basically what it comes down to. If Daniels is not overpaid, then Jeffries ain't. But if you think Daniels is overpaid, then this conversation should have ended before it started. Because that's what it's basically about. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also Jeffries contract reaches 33 mil and he sure doesn't deserve it, Daniels would be much more suited for that money.</div> I just told you why Daniels is not suited for that money. It's freaken ridiculous you think that. The same reasons you think Jeffries doesn't deserve it(injury prone, short offensive game, inconsistency), are the same reasons for Daniels. But your saying one player deserves the money and the other doesn't. What has Daniels done to deserve or even live up to that contract? Jack sh*t. Also, I asked a question at the beginning of this thread, and said who in this league besides superstars are overpaid? Barring a few, most players in the NBA are paid more then what they should be.
No, that's not what i've been saying Rok, I never said Daniels wasn't overpaid however he is much more desreving of the money than Jeffries, which is something which you don't seem to realize i've been saying. As ridiculous as it may sound, I'd call Jeffries the "Poor man's Daniels".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 30 2006, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay, since the numbers seem to be an issue for you lets bring them out:Marquis DanielsPG: 10.2RPG: 3.6APG: 2.8Jared JeffriesPG: 6.4RPG: 4.9APG: 1.9Keep in mind that Daniels did not start.</div>Dude, stats dont mean anything. Jarred Jeffries wasnt expected to score. That wasnt his role. He was a defender and he is a good one at that. When Marquis came in the game, he shot the basketball. That was his role. Somebody to come off of the bench and score.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No, that's not what i've been saying Rok, I never said Daniels wasn't overpaid however he is much more desreving of the money than Jeffries, which is something which you don't seem to realize i've been saying. As ridiculous as it may sound, I'd call Jeffries the "Poor man's Daniels".</div> And I've made it clear Daniels is not deserving of his contract either(how can you honestly tell me he has), so what is your point? Also, what's with the bad contradiction, you say you never said Daniels isn't overpaid, but then say he deserves the money. Is that not you saying he's not overpaid? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>When Marquis came in the game, he shot the basketball. That was his role. Somebody to come off of the bench and score.</div> And he did a crappy job of doing it. Case in point, why is he not overpaid and Jeffries is? People will just throw out overpaid to any player these days. And not look at the market and notice that everyone is practically is. This isn't directed at you ballerman, I just quoted your quote, because I agreed.
please just drop the stupid argument. it's not even on topic. this is supposed to be about jefferies signing an offer with the knicks.
This was a good signing, They finally bring in somebody who plays good defense and doesn't look to score. His role in NY will be similar to his role in Washington.
