Houston to aggressively pursue Asik(Came to agreement)

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    He's got a much bigger contract now.
     
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    I guess you mean Deng. A few million less really doesn't make that much of a difference in the cap space. Now replacing the $14M with a $3M rookie contract is a big deal.
     
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    I posted this on Real GM and thought I ought to share my "great thoughts" with you die-hards as well.

    The "Arenas Provision" was, not surprisingly, built for the Gilbert Arenas situation in 2003. He was a 2nd round pick who established himself as very nearly a franchise-type player in his second season (averaged 18-5-6 with a 18.6 PER). Golden State had no way to match Washington's offer that started at $8.5mil. Going forward, the league didn't want teams to be completely helpless to keep stars they had drafted, even if they were 2nd-rounders. Essentially, the Arenas Provision gives the team that drafted the player 2 years of salary relief, but beginning in the 3rd season of the contract, they could be required to pay a max salary for the player.

    Had Golden State been able to use the Arenas Provision, they probably would have done it. At the time, Arenas looked like he'd very likely be worth max salary in his 5th season.

    Though the Arenas Provision went into the CBA in 2005, according to SHAM, it's never been used.

    The Arenas Provision was a classic compromise. Since nearly every 2nd round pick gets no more than a 2-year contract, a 2nd-rounder who exceeds expectations was allowed to make a max salary, but not any sooner than a 1st-rounder could (i.e., year 5).

    Net, it was put into the CBA to allow teams who strike gold on a 2nd-round pick who turns out to be a max-type player to not lose that player.

    The Arenas Provision was not designed with Omer Asik, a back-up player, in mind.

    One improvement in the Arenas Provision I would suggest is that the team making the offer for a 2nd-round RFA must offer a 4-year contract. If the Rockets used their $8mil/of cap space for 4 years, that $32 mil would have translated to the Bulls as a $5mil-$5mil-$11mil-$11mil, potentially an easier pill to swallow that the $15mil in year 3.

    If the league and the union make this change, I'd like to see it renamed the "Omer Asik Provision." If we end up losing this fine player, it's the least they could do for us.
     
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  4. Denny Crane

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    Milwaukee was able to resign 2nd round pick Michael Redd to a MAX contract when he was an RFA. Not sure if the Arenas rule applied.
     
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    not sure if that is right, i think he signed a 3 year 9 million deal after his first two rookie min years, THEN signed a max contract
     
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    Yeah, you're right.
     
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    From BG7 at realgm;

    He(Aggrey Sam) just did a interview on CSN a few minutes ago and brought this up. Said they have been back and forth on the decision, but right are leaning towards letting him go. Said they plan to play more of a 3 more rotation next year and also brought up Nazr Mohammed as a possibility again for the fourth big man.

    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1192425&start=255
     
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    Nazr!? Now I'm pissed.
     
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    @sheridanhoops Omer Asik will be matched by the Bulls???

    Evet"is Turkish for yes

    Chris Sheridan‏@sheridanhoops
     
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  11. Denny Crane

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    Omer > Nazr.

    But Nazr was once pretty good (good enough).
     
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    The Bulls must be calculating that:

    1) Omer will get better. They must like his work ethic. They must think that he has been hindered by injury from developing on the offensive side of the game.
    2) Their bigs are less replaceable than their smalls.
    3) Joakim is a bit fragile
    4) That contract will have a weird sort of value in its third year. Of course, they won't be able to trade him to Houston, but that'll be a 15 mill expiring deal. Somebody might like to dump some of their stuff and get all that money off the books at once. Could be a chance for the Bulls to reload.

    We'll see if it plays out that way. I would not be happy with Nazr.
     
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    I think you're overthinking this GH. If the Bulls match, it will be primarily because the Bulls are decidedly a better team with Asik than without him (or with Nazr as a substitute).
     
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    I think #3 and 4 has a lot to do with it. Joakim's ankle is still giving him problems and its July.
     
    truebluefan, Jul 11, 2012
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    Actually, point #1 touches a nerve with me.

    Why can't Asik be a serviceable offensive player?

    I've always been a little puzzled about why he's so bad. He's not a clod, and from time to time he's shown some nice moves.

    When I watch him I'm filled with more optimism than when I watched Chandler, who was just legs and arms everywhere.

    It really doesn't seem like a big gap from where he's at now to being decent.

    If he learns not to bring the ball down low when he catches it he'd score an extra 6 points per game.

    That and ONE reliable offensive move is probably enough to make him a 10-12 ppg player.

    That might make Asik a max player on his next deal.

    He supposedly has a good work ethic so I think it's reasonable to account for that possibility when deciding how much to pay him.
     
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  16. Denny Crane

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    Wow.

    When I see Asik play, I see Thibs screaming at him on defense and a ridiculously bad shooter from more than 4 ft from the basket. His FT% is a great indication his range is way less than 17 ft, and it's even worse when you're actually guarded (vs. a FREE throw). What I also see is a lot of passes going through his hands.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the guy in a limited minutes backup role. The FT shooting and turnovers would highly negate his value as a starter.

    I actually agree a bit with Transplant though. A starting lineup of Watson, Brewer, Noah, Deng and Boozer won at near a league leading rate. It tapered off toward the end, though. The reason, IMO, was the four bigs. Boozer, Noah, Taj, and Asik. That's deep. Now, if you're going to start Hinrich and Teague (or Rip), it's a good basketball decision to pay Asik his $5M for this year and next (then deal with the raise).

    How bad a FT shooter is Asik? Worse than Shaq. That's pretty bad. It's so bad, you actually take a huge risk if you use him for offense/defense substitution at the end of games - especially when you can't call timeout to get him out of there before he gets fouled.

    [video=youtube;QdiGpkZoyho]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdiGpkZoyho[/video]
     
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    Transplant, I'm rarely accused of overthinking things, so thanks for the compliment!

    And Denny, while no one can expect this guy to morph into Garnett, it's not too much to ask that he control the ball in such a way that he can take advantage of his height, his quick feet and score at double the rate. The game I went to ( I know, big sample size!) he worked on his offense a lot. He was serious and he worked hard. Maybe a healthy offseason is enough to make a leap of some magnitude in that aspect of the game?

    And TP, Omer is better than Nazr at 5 mill, but not at 15!!!!! No reason to swallow that, unless he makes a quantum leap, or they have a hope that 15 mill expiring will be useful to someone.
     
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    Well, being a hard worker is a huge plus about Asik. I really do think if he ends up in Houston as the starter, he won't be the starter by season's end.
     
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    Bulls fans all over the net are concerned about Gibson next season or even trade deadline this year. Do we lose him over the Asik resigning?
     
    truebluefan, Jul 12, 2012
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    From Haugh's piece today:

    Lob pitch, Denny. Right over the plate.
     
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