Houston has withdrawn the qualifying offer for SG Courtney Lee

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    K.C Johnson ‏@KCJHoop

    Bulls have already reached out to Courtney Lee.
     
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    I never really got the love for the guy. He has a career 12.2 PER (consistently 12.6, 12.6, 12.8 the past 3 seasons). His WS/48 was like .082, considerably worse than Ronnie Brewer's. The only thing he does better than Brewer is shoot the 3pt shot. He was 3rd on the Rockets in minutes played, and now they don't want him, even at a price the Bulls would be willing to pay.

    I really do like Brewer, FWIW. The problem for us is playing him and Deng at the same time. One of the SG or SF positions really needs to be able to create shots and be a playmaker for some of the time, IMO.

    For the record, 36 year old Mike James had a higher PER, averaged more points per 36 minutes, had a higher WS/48, and has a 14.4 PER for his career (he was really good a few years ago).
     
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    Sounds like a quid pro quo gentleman's agreement.

    But why do it this way? Someone who cares more about the details -- please explain what's the point, if it is what I think it is. And if it isn't what I think it is, what is it?
     
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    I think the Bulls are blowing smoke about pursuing him. He's likely to get an offer from someone at or higher than the $3.2M CJ made last season. The Bulls won't pay him that kind of money (or, it seems, CJ either).

    I don't know what you mean by gentleman's agreement.
     
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    I'm probably being naive. It just seems so convenient. We wanted Lee. They wanted Asik. They get Asik to sign as an RFA. Then they relinquish their rights to CLee and tell us to have at him. I haven't thought through the contracts, but would this make a sign and trade more possible. Or, as you guys are acting, are these two events really independent?
     
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    They're independent.

    The Bulls made Asik an offer which he turned down. It's assumed that this offer was the max "Early-Bird" of 4 years/$25mil. Since it's the best offer the Bulls can make Asik, it's the best they could give him in a S&T. Houston's offer is at least $24mil over 3 years...obviously better than the best the Bulls can do. Net, Asik's getting 3 years/$24mil...it's just a matter whether it's from Houston or the Bulls.

    Additionally, if the Bulls match, it's my understanding that they can't trade Asik until January 15, 2013.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification. Cold, hard facts.

    One last stab at conspiracy, however. They renounced Lee after signing Asik. When earlier they wouldn't trade him for Asik (or perhaps, we wouldn't trade Asik). Might not that decision be a sort of enticement to the bulls to let go of Asik and grab onto lee?

    I guess in all this I'm just hoping the Bulls do get Lee, or else hold on to Asik.
     
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    I suppose the real connection might be between Houston's decision to renounce Lee and go after Lin.
     
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    Barring a sign and trade, the best the Bulls could offer Lee is $5mil, the full MLE and this assumes they'd be under the LT apron. I've read that Lee is looking for $6-7mil.
     
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    Transplant = wet blanket :-)

    Well then, next!

    I mean, if we can't even get Lee, that does not bode well for summer 2012 mission: upgrade.
     
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    The Bulls will make a pitch to Courtney Lee, who became an unrestricted free agent on Wednesday.

    Washington has already been in contact with Lee, a league source with knowledge of the situation confirmed.

    Lee, 26, earned $2.2 million in the final year of his rookie contract.



    Read more: http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/6974
     
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    Hey, maybe the reports I read were wrong.

    As for me, I'll be happy if the Bulls FO can find a way to keep the best players on this team together. I think they like 'em and I like 'em too. I don't have a problem with replacing Brewer with Butler and replacing Korver with a MMLE shooter, but I'd like to see the rest of the guys back.
     
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    The Bulls can offer what Houston is offering. And I don't think there's some requirement that the Bulls use the early bird or any other exemption on him.
     
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    I'm lookin for a bone as a fan. I know. Nothing replaces Derrick' absence. But cant we provide a little incentive? Something that will make him want to come back and feel, 'hey, I'm not alone!'
     
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    I'm looking for more, Transplant. The front office isn't sending the type of signals that are consistent with a team that is willing to retain all of Taj, Gibson and Deng over the long haul. And I can accept that. The thing that gets me is that also seem reticent to make the tough decisions that are necessary to continually retool with lesser priced players.

    We're hearing names like Kirk Hinrich, which sends me to an especially dark place. I can't help shake the feeling that the Bulls are prepared to use the pre-Epstein Cubs as their model. They've got their big star locked up for the distant future. They can just sign a fan favorite to distract the season ticket holders each off season and make boat loads of money, without any commitment to winning.

    That's what I fear the most.
     
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    Hinrich's a fan favorite? You coulda fooled me.

    The only signal I've gotten so far is that they value Deng highly. I got this from the fact that they didn't deal him on draft night.

    I believe that Bulls' management really like their guys, and by their guys I mean Rose, Noah, Deng, Gibson and Asik. They've got a tough decision to make on Asik, but I hope they match. Then I'd like to see them offer Gibson a fair extension.
     
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    I get the sense they could have dealt Deng on draft night, but the offers meant taking back (good enough!) players and their salaries, which didn't help the Chairman's profit margin sufficiently.
     
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    Ha. I'm just saying: Hinrich gets a standing ovation his first game back, doesn't he? And he gets the loudest ovation for the first month, right?
     
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