Apparently a "three way" has been proposed that sends Derrick Williams to Philly, Batum to Minny and Iguodala to Porty. I mean Portland. Would you do it?
I would do it if we can get Hibbert. I think Hibbert changes things to a "win now" mode, but if Indy matches then I think we should play our young guys and I would much rather have Williams in that deal.
I'd rather let Batum walk than have Iggy, but I'd rather S&T Batum for a younger player like Williams if I had the choice
Iggy has been on the steady decline since 2008 and his teams record have been well below average for the most part. The other reason: Fuck Kahn! Don't budge against this guy, he's clearly trolling in this situation.
I like Batum, but I really really like Iguodala. He can score (though volume scoring isn't his thing), he's a great passer for a non-point guard and he's an absolutely elite wing defender. I'd definitely do this deal if possible. Personally, I'd much rather have Iguodala than Williams.
Do you think it's worth it though if we can't get Hibbert? This team is pretty weak right now as it currently stands.
Yes, I think that you should aim to keep getting better where you can. I don't agree with the "either be really good or really bad, nothing in between." I think most title contenders are built step by step, rather than in a grand orgy of lottery picks and free agent stars. Hibbert plus Iguodala would give the Blazers a really nice core, but I think the Iguodala move is a good one independent of signing Hibbert. Especially if the Blazers are planning to match on Batum...Iguodala is the player I hoped that Batum would turn into, essentially. There's limits, of course...taking on a very overpaid player or an aging player near the end isn't productive, but I don't consider Iguodala either.
Can't see to type, crazy avatar causing seizure..... Yes, I agree 100% with you on this: If we are pretty sure we will get Hibbert; AND, we are pretty sure that Batum really does prefer Minny right now; then, I would rather not risk a sulking player who might not give 100% if things don't go perfectly and he will always wonder about the grass in Minny - just cut him loose - assuming we can get Iggy to replace him. Gives the Blazers a chance to audition a player who has had more success in his career than Batum and a player, who I think, is one of only about 4 or 5 guys in the NBA who can be asked to guard Durant one-on-one and come out looking good. If everything gelled and if the Blazers could get some decent veteran guard help at the low end of the salary scale, that is a solid playoff team.
This is what it boils down to for me as well. With Hibbert, Iggy makes sense as a playmaker/defender at the 2 and the team might actually be able to eek their way into the top 4 of the conference. No Hibbert and Iggy and what we're left with is probably roughly equal to no Hibbert and Batum, which means overpaying for a likely 8th seed and no lottery pick (ie. probably no pick at all next year).
I wouldn't mind it, but I would rather have Williams. i would also prefer his contract. But mostly I like his age and his skill.
That's a horrible reason not to do a deal. It should only revolve around how it impacts your competitiveness (now or in the future) nothing else. And frankly for the kind of money they want to throw at Nicolas I almost think they should let Kahn "win." -- I'm all for pyrrhic victories for my enemies.
I wouldn't be interested in Iggy unless we are in win now mode. With Hibbert yes I'd consider doing the deal if we got a draft pick or something. Otherwise no I'd rather spend cap space on amnesty waivers or young players. Iggy has been declining the last few years and doesn't fit if we are aiming to contend years down the road.
Iggy's only 28. His FGA/game have declined from 15.6 to 10.2, so his scoring averages have declined as well - from 19.9 to 12.4. Get him some shots and he'll score plenty. He'll also give you 6.1 RPG and 5.5 APG to go along with great defense. I don't see how you'd pass on him for just Batum.
Agreed. But then the question is, if you get Iggy & Hibbert, do you accept Lillard as your starting PG in win-now mode? If not, what do you do about the PG spot?
I love Iggy today, but I think his effectiveness is going to decline very quickly in two years. I don't think he'll still be a quality starter. He'll start to be similar to Marion after Phoenix, still effective but not a top 3 player on a team. Yes in a vacuum I'd rather have Iggy on a 2 year deal than Batum on this crazy 4/45 deal. But I'd rather just keep Derrick Williams or aim for another teams young player if we are considering a sign and trade for Batum. Now if we get Hibbert, which I view as a long shot, I think it changes the outlook quite a bit. You put Iggy on that team and we might be a top 4 seed. Then we are in a spot that you talk about, building a contender step by step. We’d still be short of a title but you could be one lucky move away from contention. However without Hibbert we are multiple moves away from contention and I think it’d be unrealistic for such moves to take place before Iguodala declines significantly.
