ESPN Reports: POR MIN working on deal 2 1st and vet SF from another team?

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    Where the hell have you been?

    We're being trolled by a Timberwolf forum. Yesterday they were on here posting dick pictures. Today they're pretty much being good.
     
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    What are you talking about? I think it's a terrible deal.

    Who is the "hun"? I'm in Chicago all week for work, and haven't posted in days. Did I miss something?
     
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    I miss 4 or so days of posting, and this place goes to hell.

    Better put me on payroll, Denny.
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    Wrong thread...
     
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    UKRAINEFAN Well-Known Member

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    Looking at this Q and A with Olshey, I think he's saying that the two picks and Williams would not be enough; so I absolutely don't think he is taking the two picks and Korver:
    Q. Sign and trade is still off the table?

    A.Yeah. Look, you don’t close the door to anything in this league, but from what I can see as far as what they could viably offer, as of today, I would think Nicolas would have more value than whatever they could put into a sign and trade.
     
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    God help me but, I agree with you PapaG :lol:

    Those picks are likely to be pretty underwhelming ... even putting them together to move up in a shitty draft. 11 miillion is overpaying for Batum, but at least you might actually get an 80% return on the money. Those picks probably add up to a 10% hit rate on an adequate starter and on a team that is already going to be overloaded with youngins.
     
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    Yes, call me crazy for thinking that MEM won't beat OKC, SAS, LAL or LAC next year.

    How does going from Derrick Williams and Wes Johnson to Batum and Roy make them younger and/or better?

    I've been trying to answer that. 1) I don't think MIN is a playoff team, pure and simple. 2) I don't care which draft you're in, first-round picks have a currency all their own in the NBA (which is what I've been attempting to tell people since before we traded Bayless for one that we turned into Wallace). 3) Olshey said himself that we aren't paying someone who doesn't "move the needle." Do you think that Batum "moves the needle?" How is it that he's been "meh" for us for 4 years, but all of a sudden he's going to team up with Love and Rubio and be a monster that leads them to the playoffs?
     
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    The Blazers could draft the next Victor Claver and Joel Freeland with those picks

    Bad deal. It's a Rich Cho loser special.
     
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    Or they could get Paul Pierce and Kenneth Faried with those picks. Or Darko and Ndudi Ebi. Who knows? But no one knows what's going to be available next June. I'm pretty sure no one on this board (or draftniks like Ford, or GMs) thought "man, if I can wiggle up the the #6 I can snag Damien Lillard!" I'm pretty sure no one was saying "I don't care if I have the 19th pick---I'm not taking Sullinger"

    But we got Gerald Wallace for basically a lotto-protected future first and a pick that came from trading away our backup SG.

    For the record, I think we'll get more. I'd love Williams with the picks. I don't like Johnson at all, but there's at least a glimmer of potential there for some people. But a potential lotto pick and another pick in the late teens/early 20's (in one year!) isn't a bad haul for an average player who doesn't want to be here and who you'd have to overpay to keep.

    Now, keeping Nic at a 5/40M or so contract? That's probably a decent deal. I don't hate Nic. I hate paying him the same that we paid LMA to start his extension.
     
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    Roy has nothing to do with this trade. Replacing Martell Webster with Nic Batum as a starter makes Minnesota better, IMO.

    Nic's a solid 17 PER player on a low USG rate. He's anything but "meh". Hell, you slobbered all over Martell Webster years after most everyone else knew he was a dud, yet you're outraged over giving a 23 year-old starting SF with a 17 PER/20 USG player a 4 year contract?
     
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    Look, there's definitely a time and a place to trade a player for picks, but for the picks being discussed I don't think they're exactly more valuable than 4 more years of Nicolas ... even a somewhat overpaid Nicolas.
     
    Nikolokolus, Jul 11, 2012
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    I'm ok overpaying, that's what PA is for, I just don't want to be bent over and fucked by the Minnesota snowtards. My guess is that PA feels the same way. That's what his 14 billion is for.
     
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    yes, I slobbered over Webster. He got injured and isn't good. :dunno: And no, I'm not outraged at giving Nic a 4-yr deal. I'm not "outraged" at anything here, unless they let him walk for nothing. I'm pretty sure I never advocated giving Webster the same level of deal as LMA.

    I'm saying the smart play is to not pay him LaMarcus Aldridge extension money. And since you're not doing that, taking what's probably going to be a lotto pick and a pick in the late teens to add to our lotto pick is a decent deal. Adding Williams to it would make it a no-brainer.
     
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    Trading Gerald Wallace to the Nets was smart because the Nets sucked - Deron was in and out, Lopez was out for the year, and 20 games of Gerald wasn't going to make them some super team immediately. That is COMPLETELY different than trading our (other) starting SF to a half way decent team that isn't virtually guaranteed to draft in the lotto (at the time we traded for the unprotected pick, they were like 4th or something - so its reasonable to assume they wouldn't drop 9 spots or whatever it is). It would be like the Celtics trading Ray Allen to the Orlando Magic for JJ Redick and a couple picks, and them expecting those picks to somehow be lottery picks, despite them giving up a superior player for virtually nothing. It is safe to assume that by giving up a better player (to an almost playoff team, prior to injuries and what not - and filling there biggest need) that they will finish better than they previously did; therefore, it would be of poor judgement to expect that pick to be in the lottery range.

    I hate to say it with the Minny fans trolling us left and right, but if we give them Batum for that shit package? They've significantly upgraded there team while giving up very little. Rubio, Batum, Love, Pekovic is a solid core 4 to play with, depending on Rubio's health and ability to gain a shot. At the very least, I'd see them making the first round - possibly challenging for more.
     
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    I'm ok agreeing to disagree here. As I said, I'm not going to curse the heavens if we sign Nic, or be too sad if we get two picks back for him with some other asset. Just letting him walk for nothing (which I think there's a 1% chance of, IF he gets ballsy and just signs the QO) would upset me, but that's it.

    I see the points that Nik, PapaG and you are making, I just don't buy into them. I think that Rubio's not going to be great for a bit coming off his surgery--I think "I expect to start" Roy is going to be more a distraction than a benefit for them, and I think that they're still missing a couple of players if they want an Adelman free-flowing offense.
     
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    Re: ESPN Reports: POR & MIN working on deal 2-1st picks and SF vet from another team?

    No. Shit.
     
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    Re: ESPN Reports: POR & MIN working on deal 2-1st picks and SF vet from another team?

    Man I love Olshey. LOL
     
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    he's making a name for himself this week. Crushing agents, staring down other GMs, not backing down from players, the odd quip here and there...I'm liking what I see so far.
     
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    It doesn't add up to a fart in the wind as far as building a team goes, but it's fun to hear and it gives fans something to feel good about ... and that's important, especially with all of the losing we're probably going to endure for at least the next couple of years.
     
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    Fair enough - I definitely understand your point, I just think that settling for two 15-25 picks just eats at our cap and doesn't really give us a solid player. As posted on BE some point today, Golliver made a nice point: Is batum worth Nolan Smith, Luke Babbitt, and future cap space? Is that a fair trade? Because that's the most likely scenario of what type of players we would be looking at. A diamond in the rough would be nice - but I'd rather have the Bobcats first rounder for Batum straight up than some shit package. Like I said, I'm not sold on Rubio, but Batum fills a major need of theres, which could legitimately put them in the 4-5-6 seed. If we are going to help a rival, I want to ream them for everything they have.
     
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