ESPN Reports: POR MIN working on deal 2 1st and vet SF from another team?

The picks are still tradable pieces even if you don't want to use them.

 

I understand that. But the value of those picks are significantly less being that low in the draft. Other teams know that too. Do we trade Wallace for a low to mid 20s 1st rounder? Or a top-6 lottery protected? I just don't see much value in those pics unless you have your eye on more Euros.

 

No not really. I trust guys like Dave Telep, Jonathan Givony and Chad Ford when they say it's going to suck. The incoming crop of HS seniors have been under observant eyes for awhile now.

 

Players develop. Freshman step up! Shit happens!

 

Don't be so sure Portland and Minny are even the two teams that will get something done for Batum
Eastern and Western conference teams have both expressed interest in him
Allen could simply tell Olshey to try to get a deal done with SA or Toronto
Leaving Minny up a creek

Could we maybe get a better offer from someone else?
Only the brass really knows, and I assume they do
My hope is Williams or keep Nic
I think we will probably hear something before the weekend
Nic probably really doesn't care where he ends up anyway
Going to play with Rubio, Parker or staying in Portland

So what do you all think?
On one hand Nic is only 23
On the other hand he really hasn't shown anything more than role player abilities, but he had Nate
Never the less, this is a tough one to really be on one side or the other, IMO

 

So no more S&T possibilities

 

I guess it comes down to what people think Nic is going to be worth at 23, 24, 25 and 26 ... with Nate gone and Nic getting paid like a go to guy, I wonder if his mentality might change? Sometimes money makes people lazy and other times it provides a sense of validation. I'm sort of betting it's the latter with Nic.

Of course I could be wrong.

 

Probably a couple of guys will surprise, but beyond that how many are going to end up like Austin Rivers and Harrison Barnes? Guys regress from their lofty projections too.

 

I'm not saying that picks in the 20's are worth a great deal, but how is getting 2 picks, regardless of position, worth less than getting nothing? Maybe I'm underestimating the amount of cap hold. What is the cap hold for those picks?

 

If Nic is fairly highly valued around the league and we are not getting value out of him in the current scenario, why not keep in as possible use in a future trade? It is not necessarily that we have to keep him indefinitely if we keep him.

Gramps...

 

I thought we had agreed, in these options anyway, that we'd be overpaying Nic. I wouldn't expect to execute very good trades if we all agree he is overpaid.

 

I agree that package is underwhelming....

The problem for POR is that the talent on this team is so weak that Batum is the 2nd best player, though on any championship contending team he would at best be thier 4th, 5th or 6th best player...and yet if MIN signs him to an offer sheet at $11-12mil\year and POR matches they will be paying him like he is a #2-#3 type player which he has clearly shown he is not...

and the new CBA really punishes teams for overpaying rotation\role players...and it screws a team like POR up from getting that player, they have to hope they get lucky in the draft (which I am unconvinced they did this year) or make a trade the likes of Babbit\Claver\Freeland\Nolan Smith\E-Will crowd for some teams all star caliber player....uh...unlikely...

Even with Batum, does this team win more than 30 games next year? I don't think they do, they didn't last year with vets like Crawford\Felton\Wallace & Camby...

This is exaclty the type of mediocrity Olshey kept repeating over and over again that he would not do, and yet, it certainly appears POR is going to do it...Does Batum move the needle of this team? He certainly didn't last year after mid season....Maybe this makes POR a 30 win team instead of a 20- 25 win team? Does that even matter?

Not trying to be negative on Batum here, I like him as a player, but 4 years into his NBA career he is still the frustratingly same inconsistent player and now they are on the verge of paying him huge money to suddenly play at basically all star caliber level...I just think that is a big mistake.

I really do think that when the realities of the new CBA luxury tax penalty kick in, teams with cap space will be able to reap some nice rewards from those teams who spent unwisely and are then suffering from it.

I listened on the radio last night about an example, where one team (I can't remember) under last CBA, paid $1 for $1, was $20mil over, paid $20mil...under new CBA would have to pay in excess of $85 mil\year and even more if they did it 3 consecutive years...