Haynes full of shit (no Nic 4 years, 46.5 Million) (confirmed)

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  1. BrianFromWA

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    I think so. Recall, Blake's team option had no guarantee, and that's why the Clips just didn't pick it up after the Camby trade. But the partial guarantee requires a waiver process.

    If you think about it, it's player protection. What if some team really did want to pay Webster the 5M remaining on his contract. Would the NBAPA allow a team to just cut a player without letting him see if he got a bite on the rest of his deal? :dunno:
     
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    so he fucked up big time? does this mean we will be able to sign batum for cheaper in any way?
     
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    Also there is one report that he has moved on to Courtney Lee since the Blazers won't accept his offer for S&T
     
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    Not.

    Swayed.

    This same logic would apply to TOs on rookie contracts, but it doesn't.

    I think this is the one point of contention, and something that would need to be answered by someone more knowledgeable than you or me (anyone know if Joe Cronin's on twitter?)
     
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    More on this: same year that Steve Blake had a team option with no guarantee, he didn't show up on the NBA transactions for the team option not being invoked, he just was signed by the L*kers on July 8. But Ryan Gomes (since he had partial guarantee money) had to be "waived" by the Blazers.
     
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    b/c it's specifically called out to not do so.


    No idea.
     
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    I understand all this...but what i cant wrap my head around is this "Bluff"

    A bluff means that your opponent has no idea what it is you have, but this is not a Bluff because even guys like us can see right through Kahns plans, let alone Cronin (professionals). So i still dont understand their rationale. Are they THAT stupid?
     
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    Like I quoted previously:

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q63

    I believe this may be part of the extension that they filed. Given Kahn's and Taylor's background and Taylor's position as the chairman the board of governors, there is no way that they overlooked anything that we could figure out.
     
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    They are not that stupid. We are overlooking something.
     
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    Really, if all this is correct the person who screwed up the most is batums agent. He let his client ask out of a town to go to a team that promised to make a huge offer to him withou doing the research about Kahn or the timberwolves and their financial situation. During this time, he could have been fielding offers from honorable teams with money to spend. But now, the money has dried up and the blazers are in control unless batum wants to accept the QO.
     
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    I don't get what you mean. If they're waived before August 15, it takes 7 days. Are you saying that they're extending the date out to the 16th of August so that it only takes 48 hrs? Fine, but that doesn't help them get cap space to sign Nic until that time. They can't extend the "june 30" date from last year b/c that's a CBA violation. Just like they can't renegotiate to sign a contract during the moratorium. You can't contravene CBA rules.
     
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    Then tell me what, Ricky. CBA spells things out pretty clearly, Coon expounds on it, and two deadlines from Kahn have come and gone and there's still no offer sheet to Nic submitted to the league. Did he just forget to send in the signed offer sheet?
     
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    LOL! Thanks HCP, that's high praise coming from you. Hard to believe but Quick has been the voice of reason in all of this on Twitter. Jaynes has made an absolute fool of himself during the Batum saga and unfortunately so has Chris Haynes who I was starting to like before this.

    Hey, do me a favor. I was trading tweets with @sarahhechtNBA last night. She's never seen The Wire and isn't sure if it's any good. Tweet her and tell her to watch it.
     
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    I think some of you guys are making a bigger deal of Miller/Webster as "assets". They're assets because they can be cut to create cap space. As far as the Wolves are concerned, they were bigger assets before July 1st. Now what is an asset is the cap space they can create. Doesn't matter if that's cap space for the Wolves to absorb salary or for a receiving team to become cap space.

    I'm shocked the Wolves didn't trade them on draft day for an established player already on a contract. Since they didn't, they should have just cut them. Teams would rather have straight cap space than a guy they have to cut.
     
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    One more thing that everyone is forgetting about is Batum said he won't scrimmage or play games with Team France until he has a contract. The longer this drags out the more it's going to hurt him for the Olympics this summer. He's waiting for Kahn to summit the offer more than anyone else is.
     
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    Jerry Zgoda ‏@JerryZgoda

    Latest from T.C.: Looks like Thurs will come & go with no offer sheet sent to Blazers and no S-T, although there was lots of talk about both
     
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    Sarah is vanilla ice cream! I know her well and The Wire is not her style. The most gangster she would get would be Carlton from The Fresh Prince......
     
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    Thanks for the tweet....... but what is T.C.?
     
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    There has to be something no one is seeing that has to do with them. At the moment it looks like its a 7 day waiting period for the capspace waiving them will create, I'm sure most teams would rather have a
    TE then a guy they can cut for salary.
    As much as we make fun of Khan he can't be as stupid as were making him out to be.

    Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2
     
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    Hahahahaha!

    Well if she likes Carlton she'll love Brother Mouzone!

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