I attend a Quaker church, and Nixon, sir, is no quaker. His grandmother was apparently a very fine quaker - not Tricky Dicky, regardless of his listed religion.
we have gone round and round about this before drock, i quote all sorts of stuff from members and ex members, you say thats not how it really is, rinse, repeat like i said, mormonism is only looked at as kooky because we were all raised mostly christian/catholic, they are all kooky in their own way
We've probably already had some atheist/agnostic presidents, just not ones that could admit it in public. Sure. In reality, religious belief doesn't actually matter. It's just that I suspect people who can be convinced to believe in that can probably be convinced to believe in absolutely anything, so I trust them a bit less. barfo
I think all religious are ridiculous to believe in, but I also think it's fair to say Mormonism is more ridiculous than most.
I admit that I'm the forum champion for fair depiction of the LDS faith and people. I make no apologies for that. And people can choose to take the information I provide however they want it. In this instance, however, I wasn't looking to debate the issue, although there's a good chance I might have commented on it. That's why I didn't ask for specifics about the people of color issue. I'm familiar with the arguments on that issue, but not on this one. I was honestly just interested in what's out there and what people's perceptions are. I've heard the statements that women are oppressed in the LDS church, but I haven't heard of any specific reasons why this label is given.
Fair enough. But you'd like to think that people who have made it the point where they're being considered as POTUS, would have pretty reasoned decision making abilities. You'd like to think...
to an outsider it is insulting to women to think they are relegated to a lifetime and then an eternity in a harem men seem to have the much better deal no?
That's not how it is. If you want the concept explained I'd be happy to. If you've heard this explained and still characterize it as a harem, then...ok. As a side note, what other religion tells women that they can be Godesses? Sounds to me like that other religions are stifling the potential of women.
So what does it say to you when Barack Obama went from a largely agnostic upbringing and embraced the preachings of Jeremiah Wright at Trinity United Church, while Mitt Romney remained in the religion in which he was raised? One is an active act and the other one is passive. It seems to me President Obama made a choice while Mitt Romney does what he always has.
What do you think of President Obama's decision to join Trinity United? Do you think it was a smart choice? What about Mormonism do you find galling enough for him to leave his faith? My point was that Barack Obama has told us he has deep religious faith, yet people here have said they won't vote for Mitt Romney because of his faith. Are Christianity and Mormonism all that different?
not sure who has said that his religion will be the deciding factor of their voting, not me though and yeah, they are very different
