GOP Insiders: The Paul Ryan pick is a complete disaster

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  1. Stevenson

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    My favorite quote - "Sarah Palin with a PowerPoint and a bunch of numbers to justify a plan that is very unpopular."

    "“I think it’s a very bold choice. And an exciting and interesting pick. It’s going to elevate the campaign into a debate over big ideas. It means Romney-Ryan can run on principles and provide some real direction and vision for the Republican Party. And probably lose. Maybe big,” said former President George W. Bush senior adviser Mark McKinnon."
     
  2. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Stevenson, you got that post all wrong! You're suppose to use a single quotation mark instead of the double quotations when nesting quotes. ;]

    But your statement looks quite right! =]
     
  3. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Meh. He was a safe pick. That said, I still think Obama will win.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    http://washingtonexaminer.com/new-obama-panic-romney-crowd-sizes/article/2504781#.UCqguxqe5Mg

    Paul --

    I just got this disturbing report: Yesterday's Romney-Ryan rally in North Carolina pulled in an overflow crowd of 15,000 people.

    There's no spinning that number. It's a LOT of people, and the Republican base in energized.

    And that's not all. Since the VP announcement, Romney's campaign has brought in over 70,000 donations from his Tea Party base.

    We've got to step up our game and mobilize our supporters -- starting right now.

    Donate $3 or right now to help us rally our base around President Obama's agenda >>

    Listen to what one Republican supporter said about Paul Ryan: "I love him...He's going to excite the Tea Party and get them on board..."

    We can't let the Republicans claim the momentum. Donate $3 or whatever you can:

    http://dccc.org/Stand-With-President-Obama

    Thanks,

    Brynne

    Brynne Craig

    DCCC Field Director
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I think Stevenson's post (as well as the other lefty sheep here) typify the new left in America- "attack & lie". I mean, let's face it, Obama has been very successful with this strategy. It may be below the belt politics, but it's part & parcel of the left in politics these days. And to be perfectly frank, I think the right did something like this against Kerry with the swift boat stuff.
     
  7. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    hehehe Oh you! Is it a lie that Paul Ryan wants to gut social security? Is it a lie that he directly benefited from Social Security when his father died and Ryan was 16? is it a lie that Ryan wants to make it illegal for the killing of any fertilized egg, thus making In vitro fertilization basically illegal? Is it a lie that Paul Ryan wants to cut pell grants?
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    I think we need a bullshit filter.

    How about reading what Ryan actually wrote on his govt. www site about Social Security?

    http://paulryan.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=12227


    In a shared call for leadership, the budget also puts the onus on Congress to offer legislation to ensure the sustainable solvency of this critical program. As Stephen Goss, Chief Actuary for the Social Security Administration, put it in a House Budget Committee hearing, “ Our Trustees and everybody who speaks on this has opined extensively about the value of acting sooner rather than later, so that we can have gradual changes phased in and we have more options if we act relatively soon.”
     
  9. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Because a politician has never changed their mind or used fluffy words before.
     
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    Pell Grants?

    Ryan's plan is to cut the maximum amount of the individual grants from ~$5650 per student to ~$5550 per student.

    http://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/...udget-would-mean-for-college-aid-and-schools/

    U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan — the Wisconsin Republican who wrote the House budget — notes that Pell Grants cost more than a country facing a $15 trillion debt can afford. His plan would reduce the maximum income of Pell recipients to $23,000 a year from $33,000 a year.

    The budget would also set a maximum grant of $5,550 — about one-third the average total yearly cost of college.
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    Or because you're more open to listening to and believing lies told you by partisan sources?
     
  12. Eastoff

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    how about here Does this count?
     
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    If so, we'd lose our lefty sheep.
     
  16. Eastoff

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    Alright, you all have fun. If you think Romney and Paul Ryan are great guys and all of my words are worthless, I don't have the ability to change your mind. Good luck and may you enjoy your old age.
     
  17. Denny Crane

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    I don't think they're particularly great guys, and I don't think your words are worthless (when they're YOUR words).

    I do think Ryan is one of the best minds there is when it comes to budgetary matters. The social stuff, not so desirable. The debt and deficits are huge issues to be resolved ASAP. The social programs are worthwhile but out of control - the cost of the status quo is unbearable, and Ryan is the only candidate (pres or vp) in this race who's actually talking about fixing (not gutting) them.

    In fact, I think it's a shame Romney picked Ryan because a Republican House and Senate with Obama president needs a guy like him to write the budgets, like Kasich (now gov. of Ohio) did for Clinton.

    While I disagree with Ryan on much of what he wants to do outside the budget, he seems to be a downright good guy and it's a downright shame the idea is to dig for dirt against him instead of addressing his ideas. It doesn't bode well for the future of govt. if the best and brightest are intimidated from running because the shit storm ain't worth it.

    Those are MY words, not some spin or talking points from one of the campaigns or their surrogates.
     
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    I'm appreciating Denny's words and honesty.

    And I can't help but be disgusted by this tone from Westnob. Particularly the highlighted words. Your retirement will be rotten if you vote Republican? That's exactly the type of silly fear-mongering that's wrong with politics.

    The reality is that our system takes in not enough, and has spending commitments for too much. Something has to give. Whether it's increasing taxes or decreasing disbursements or some combination, something has to change. The Democratic approach seems to be about rejecting any proposal from the other side as 'destroying Medicare as we know it' or threatening retirement. I've actually never seen a serious proposal from Democrats on how to correct this clearly wrong direction we're going.

    Plus, I was raised on the concept of working hard, saving my money by living below my means, and to take care of my own retirement. Who in their right mind plans on retirement being fully dependent on the government. Yet, look at Westnobs comments and you see a fairly common attitude. 'Vote for us because we're going to pay you money from the public coffers and the other side will not pay you.'

    Disgraceful.
     
  19. Eastoff

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    I'm sorry you interpreted my open-ended statement as such. For record the only people I know that don't have savings started for their retirement are republicans.

    Here's another vague statement that you can put words behind. You are an interesting character.
     
  20. barfo

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    Well, I don't know that there will be a Republican House and Senate, but Ryan will still be in the House next year. He can run for both jobs simultaneously, and he'd be a fool not to.

    barfo
     

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