GOP Insiders: The Paul Ryan pick is a complete disaster

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Is Guantanamo closed yet? Seems to me that is a really serious campaign promise not kept.

    Since we escalated the war in Afghanistan, we've lost a lot of soldiers' lives. Where's the hissy fits about those unnecessary deaths?

    And just what is victory in Afghanistan?

    LOL

    The nits you guys are finding with the VP candidate pale in comparison.
     
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    so it's nitpicking when clear contradictions are pointed out on something that seems to be a major running point (economy, stimulus, $$$) with his party? Ok.
     
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    Seems reasonable. But are you also pointing out the clear contradictions with respect to the other party candidate(s)?
     
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    I guess I'm not seeing the beef here. He voted against the stimulus. Once it passed against his wishes, he'd be a fool to exclude his district from receiving some of the money.
     
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    Not in the Paul Ryan thread, no, I'm not. Sorry.
     
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    just that he conveniently didn't think he took stimulus money. and told people he didn't take stimulus money. but after repeated reports surfaced showing otherwise he said "oh THAT money... my bad"
     
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    How does this not square with what he says happened? I don't see any reason to be embarrassed by voting against the stimulus then bringing some of that money back to his constituents, since they're going to be paying for it anyway. If he came out and said that, would you have a beef? I don't. So if he says he had to dig up records that someone on his staff asked for the money, it seems legit. It even seems legit if he wrote a letter or letters supporting his constituents, knowing or not knowing it was for stimulus funds.

    Did anyone in his district actually get any funds?
     
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    It would seem they did, to the tune of $20 million:

    I'm not buying that he requested $20 million of stimulus money without knowing he was doing it.

    It's perfectly ok to request the funds, of course. Lying about it is not so ok.

    barfo
     
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    It kind of seems worse that he signed off 20M$ without knowing what he was doing.
     
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    Apology accepted. I've never seen you do it in any Obama thread either. Apology accepted for that as well.
     
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    its funny when a romney dickrider trys to make fun of someone for dickriding
     
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    In the spirit of the Stockman post:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/sebelius-paul-ryans-medicare-reform-plan-a-serious-proposal-video/

    Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told The Daily Caller that the Medicare reform plan put forth by Republican vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan is a “serious proposal” but President Obama has “made it clear” that it is not the right direction for the program.

    In 2010, however, President Obama spoke highly of Ryan’s plan.

    “I think Paul [Ryan], for example, the head of the Budget Committee, has looked at the budget and has made a serious proposal. I’ve read it. I can tell you what’s in it and there’s some ideas in there that I would agree with but there’s some ideas we should have a healthy debate about because I don’t agree with them. The major driver of our long-term liabilities, everybody here knows, is Medicare and Medicaid and our health care spending. Nothing comes close,” said President Obama at the GOP retreat on January 29, 2010.

    Unfunded liabilities are benefits promised by the federal government to individuals through entitlement programs like Medicare.

    “Medicare as you know is a $38 trillion unfunded liability, it has to be reformed for younger generations because it won’t exist because it’s going bankrupt and the premise of our idea is look, why not give people the same kind of health-care plan we have in Congress? That kind of reform proposal for Medicare,” Ryan — recently selected as Mitt Romney’s running mate — then said to Obama.

    “Right, right,” Obama responded. “As I’ve said before, this is an entirely legitimate proposal.”

    Obama also acknowledged that Ryan’s plan does not affect beneficiaries over 55 years of age.
     
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    In another thread predicting the VP, I wrote someone else, but said if I had my druthers I would want Paul Ryan. He's the last hope to make this campaign about something serious, instead of the trivial bullshit that has characterized it heretofore. The American people deserve a campaign about big ideas, not about tax returns and eating dog.
     
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    Change my post to
    Within a few months of inauguration, Stockman was completely out of the loop. Exactly 1 year after inauguration, Reagan publicly humiliated him by "taking the young man to the woodshed," as Reagan advisors told the media. Stockman was just a shell of an OMB Director after that, never heard from in the media.
     
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    Ezra Klein opinion piece. Really?

    The guy's a left-wing talking head on MSNBC - I've seen him plenty.

    It reads like a fantasy. I wonder if Klein believes in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, too.

    (there's not one reference to something concrete, like an email from Obama's operatives or something).
     
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    Only a lawyer would spell it Santa Clause.
     
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