I know there is a thread with JKidd and Steve Nash, but I wanted to throw Chauncey into the mix.Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd, and Steve Nash are the top three point guards in the league in my opinion. Although Steve Nash has two consecutive MVP's he is always been critizised on the defensive end. So my question is who is the best point guard of the three?Chauncey Billups is probably the best all-around player of the three. He is a great shooter and scorer, and excels in clutch time situations. He has been named to the All Defensive Team two straight years, and was named as an All Star for the first time this year. He is a floor general for the Pistons. His vision and passing ability make him the MVP candidate that he is. The final piece to Billups' all around great play is his leading the league in assist to turnover ratio, an unheralded stat in my opinion.Jason Kidd has been at the top of the NBA's assist charts for the past 100 years it seems. He is a triple double threat every night, and his rebounding at the point guard position is second to none. Offensively he doesn't have the jumpshot of a Billups or Nash, but finds ways to put up around 15 points a game every season. Defensively I think he is a little less then Chauncey, but better then Nash. In my eyes Jason Kidd defines the word leader, but I don't know if that makes him the best point guard in the league.Steve Nash has been the NBA's MVP the last two seasons. He has lead the league in assists each of those seasons, and led his team to at least the Second Round each year. He probably has the best court vision in the league for a player at any position. Nash has a good offensive game as well on the scoring end. He is a great jump shooter that can step back and hit the three. The thing Nash is critisized for is his defensive game. People call him a one side of the ball player, and I am not sure that would make me think he is the best point guard in the league.Who is the best point guard out of the three?
I already put in my opinion on the whole Nash/Kidd thing. I like Nash over him right now but I'd take Kidd all time. Out of all of those guys now I'd rank them:BillupsNash KiddBillups can run the point very well, he can score and is very clutch. And the most important reason I have him over Nash is his good D...and not having back problems.
As I said a few months ago, Billups is best one. Best scorer out of the 3, very good playmaker, great defender, and has a ring and Finals MVP. Fantastic player.I would put JKidd in second, mostly because his defense is absolutely amazing (held Billups to under 10pts on a Sunday, and the night after held Nash to 0pts on 0-6 shooting). He and Nash are about equal when it comes to playmaking, but his APG numbers are lower because of the offense Nash is on and VC and RJ demand their iso's and outsid eof Cliff and Nenad JKidd doesn't have nearly as many gunners.I put Nash last, which is weird considering he is back to back MVP. Arguably best passer of the 3, very good scorer, and the prototype fast break PG.
Ok, can anyone tell me wtf billups was doing before he came to detroit? Can anyone tell me why is it amazing to abuse a 35 year old payton and win the finals mvp?I'm waiting.
Some players take time to adjust to the NBA. In Minnesota he was averaging like 15 and 6 one season, and then he went to Pistons and started to shine. And while Payton wasn't best defender in world in those finals, he was still good.
What? Nash is the better scorer than Billups. He only scores a bit more ppg than Billups, but the fg% difference puts Nash over by a fair bit. Billups shoots 42%, Nash shoots 51%, there ya go.But as for the question, I would go with Billups because of his Defensive ability. Obviously, Nash is the better playmaker, but Billups is also a top-tier playmaker with the best assist/turnover ratio in the League, well Nash is only 10th in that department.So, I would take Billups slightly over Nash right now.
I think Billups and Nash are about even. Billups isn't as good of a scorer (check field goal %), or even as good of a playmaker, but is a much better defender and is more clutch IMO. He can take over the 3rd and 4th quarters of games like nobodies business. He also doesn't turn the ball over as much.Jason Kidd is a bit washed up these days, but can still pull a triple double every here and there with his phenomenal rebounding ability at the point. Probably the best white/caucasian defender in the league right now. Three years ago, best point guard in the league. Still, a top 3-5 candidate.
I feel that Nash has such high FG % due to the offense they run and all the gunners they have takes a ton of pressure off when he drives to hoop (he was around 47% shooter in Dallas), but I guess Nash is a slightly better scorer. I still would take Billups though, due to his far better defense and he is great at running the offense and scoring lots of points when need be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Aug 3 2006, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, can anyone tell me wtf billups was doing before he came to detroit? Can anyone tell me why is it amazing to abuse a 35 year old payton and win the finals mvp?I'm waiting.</div>This arguement isn't about how good Billups was before he came to Detroit, it is about his play now. Payton was still a good defender in the '04 finals, and Billups didn't just win the Finals MVP against Gary Payton, but against the Lakers as a team. No one could stop him in that series, not Glove nor anyone else. Chauncey is an MVP candidate now, that is why we are talking about him, not how he did early in his career.
Billups does go through dry spells like the whole series against Cleveland. Before I saw that I thought Billups was better but now I feel Nash is better.
The Pistons as a whole lacked a sense of urgency during this past postseason. The Ben Wallace implosion in the middle of it all didn't help, especially since Ben no longer seems like the player he was in '04. But yeah I agree this year C-Bill was just flat out bad half the time after round 1. If I give myself just a bit of homerism I pick him over Nash 10/10 though.And I think Chauncey could own Nash in a game of 1-on-1.EDIT: It was Chauncey's 3 point shooting against the Heat that stunk so bad. He shot .259 from 3 point land on 7-27 shooting. That is unsettlingly unclutch of him, but not to worry. Another season, another championship opportunity. Read the sig.
Give me Chauncey. He can score the basketball just as well as Steve if not better, he can still run his team very well, AND he knows the meaning of defense. Steve Nash plays on one side of the court. I cant put him at #1 until he shows me he can play d.
How is he best PG all around when he can't play D for sh*t and Kidd was on 1st team all defense and Billups on 2nd team all defense?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wade3 @ Aug 3 2006, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nash is the better All-Around Point Guard. but, Kidd is the best passer of the three.</div>Youre a dumbass. How is Nash the better all around pg, when he only plays on one side of the court?
For me it's Billups. I still say he is one of the top 10 players in the league. He has a very complete game and that's what gives him the edge for me. I mean this guy can basically do everything you could ask from a PG. He can score in various ways and is a very accurate shooter including from beyond the arc. He is a great passer and playmaker who can rack up assists or create for himself at will if his team is struggling. I can go on and on about him. He's very clutch and one of the best performing players in the clutch in the league. Also a great defender and has made an all defensive 2nd team twice and is a great man on man defender. Then of course he's the true leader of the team and was the heart of the team when they won the Finals. If I was comparing him to J-Kidd from 2-3 seasons ago I would probably go with J-Kidd but now he's getting old and his performance(mainly scoring) is going down. Not too mention he has failed to win a ring even though he has gotten close. I'm leaving Nash out of this soley on the fact that he can only play one side of the game well. IMO defense is the most important part of the game and he doesn't have it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Aug 3 2006, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Youre a dumbass. How is Nash the better all around pg, when he only plays on one side of the court?</div>watch it buddy.....I dont want to see you using those words against other people on the site.But seriously, Nash might be the better passer than the other two and a better playmaker but his defense is awful....Best Overall Player1. Chauncey Billups2. Jason Kidd3. Steve NashBest Passer1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey BillupsBest Shooter1. Chauncey Billups2. Steve Nash3. Jason KiddBest Defender1. Jason Kidd2. Chauncey Billups3. Steve Nash
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What? Nash is the better scorer than Billups. He only scores a bit more ppg than Billups, but the fg% difference puts Nash over by a fair bit. Billups shoots 42%, Nash shoots 51%, there ya go.</div>Nash is a passer, Billups is a shooter. Billups is called upon more to go out and score and lead the team. Therefore, his FG% is lower. The same could be applied to Stockton.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Out of those three guys id say Chris Paul is the best</div>Paul is not even in this discussion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Aug 3 2006, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Chauncey Billups2. Jason Kidd3. Steve NashBest Passer1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey BillupsBest Shooter1. Chauncey Billups2. Steve Nash3. Jason KiddBest Defender1. Jason Kidd2. Chauncey Billups3. Steve Nash</div>
