<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Aug 3 2006, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Believe me dude, we will be in the playoff mix. We sure as hell wont finish 25th. If the Raps finish in the bottom 10, I will wear a Vince Carter sig for a year.</div>This is a preseason ranking and it is hard to argue that the Raptors are head and shoulders better then the teams above them. That is the reasoning. They are an extremely young team with little veteran leadership (Morris maybe). Those teams tend to go through growing pains.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheOkie @ Aug 3 2006, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes i do think there is a drop off in Euro talent than NBA. Thats why when players cant make it in the NBA, they go over there, and why the best players in Europe come to the NBA and most of them end up never getting off the bench</div>Yea theres obviously a drop off but I gues the point I was trying to make is that the gap is getting smaller and smaller as NBA franchises are looking overseas for talent more now then they had ever. Dont expect this Euro invasion to come to an end as the rest of the world is catching up to the Americans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Aug 3 2006, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Based on what he has done overseas.Are you f*cking kidding me?You think 15 ppg, 7 rebounds per game, 5 assists per game, 2 steals per game, one block per game, on .530+ percent shooting is average? Then I dont know what to tell you.</div>In the NBA that statline transfers to 5PPG and off bench. That's a nice statline, but the NBA is the world class league and miles ahead of any other league. Let's say he DOES average 15PPG and 7RPG....that just about fills the void of Charlie Villanueva (which I HIGHLY doubt he will actually do in his rookie season, and Charlie will likely be better this year). TJ Ford doesn't fill the void of Mike James, and after that Raptors got no one that could thrust them into playoff contender right away.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Aug 3 2006, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB4, where do you think the Raptors will land this year? Be real, don't say they will land in the playoffs, although I do think Bosh will lead them to it sometime in his career with the Raptors I seriousely doubt it will be this year. Where should the Raptors be CB4?</div>Anywhere from 15-20 in my opinion. This is weird. Everyone at realballers thinks we will make the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Aug 3 2006, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In the NBA that statline transfers to 5PPG and off bench. That's a nice statline, but the NBA is the world class league and miles ahead of any other league. Let's say he DOES average 15PPG and 7RPG....that just about fills the void of Charlie Villanueva (which I HIGHLY doubt he will actually do in his rookie season, and Charlie will likely be better this year). TJ Ford doesn't fill the void of Mike James, and after that Raptors got no one that could thrust them into playoff contender right away.</div>If your gonna put it that way we can say Rasho is going to replace Hoffa, Garbajosa replacing Sow, Jones replacing Calderon, Bargnani replacing Eric Williams, Humphries replacing Bonner...its simply not playing the name game.Why would you want someone to fill the void of a selfish PG who was looking for a big payday and nothing more?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MosDefinitely @ Aug 3 2006, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If your gonna put it that way we can say Rasho is going to replace Hoffa, Garbajosa replacing Sow, Jones replacing Calderon, Bargnani replacing Eric Williams, Humphries replacing Bonner...its simply not playing the name game.Why would you want someone to fill the void of a selfish PG who was looking for a big payday and nothing more?</div>Except Calderon will be playing next year :happy0144:If you think about it, who would you rather have?Mike James, Hoffa, Matt Bonner, Eric Williams, Villanueva, or PJ Tucker, TJ Ford, Fred Jones, Rasho Nesterovic, Andrea Bargnani, Garbajosa, Parker, and Slokar.I know my answer :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheOkie @ Aug 3 2006, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Off the top of my head Speedy Claxton had like 13 and 6 assists last year coming off the bench, obviously non PGs are gonna get more points and more rebounds</div>He was one of the best bench players in the league this year and those stats arent as good as Parkers. It doesnt even matter though, statistics that a player would get overseas are different than a player would get in the NBA. The competition just isnt as high.
Not true. Bargnani only had 11 ppg over there. That is about equal to what I expect him to get this year..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheOkie @ Aug 3 2006, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only Euro invasion i see is a trend of busts coming to in the NBA</div>Your too pro-american, whats wrong with a more diversitiesed league? It would bring a better level of competition...and how come the europeans always have to be busts? there are probably 10 times more busts coming from america then europe
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheOkie @ Aug 3 2006, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only Euro invasion i see is a trend of busts coming to in the NBA</div>Thats why we see Pau Gasol becoming an all-star, Dirk dominating the PF position, Bargani going first pick this year (however that could be a bust), Tony Parker dominating the paint and bringing lots to the spurs team, not to mention many others. Europe is bringing something good to the league, enjoy it.
Thats because there are 20 times more players in the NBA coming from America<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Aug 3 2006, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats why we see Pau Gasol becoming an all-star, Dirk dominating the PF position, Bargani going first pick this year (however that could be a bust), Tony Parker dominating the paint and bringing lots to the spurs team, not to mention many others. Europe is bringing something good to the league, enjoy it.</div>So 3 players out of like 50 that turned out good
well were not going to list every single player who came from overseas or is not from AmericaYaoGinobiliNashDiawPeja
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Aug 3 2006, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not true. Bargnani only had 11 ppg over there. That is about equal to what I expect him to get this year..</div>I guess since you look for him to average 11 he will do exaclty that wont he. Earlier, you say that 15 PPG in Euro was some of the best and look what the best is in the NBA. It is more than double that. I am saying that Euro scoring is different that NBA scoring. It doesnt equal out to the same. They are playing at an easier level. I want you to tell me how many minutes Parker played a game and then tell me if he could average 15 minutes in the pros at that same level of mpg.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fabolous @ Aug 3 2006, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>interesting read</div>More like a bullsh** read.The Cavs at number 6.. The HORNETS ahead of the Lakers. Memphis that high? Gay is gonna be gay his first season. Well, not as productive to the team as Battier was. Swift, I believe was on the Grizzlies before.who the hell makes these rankings?
TheOkie, there is the same or a higher ratio of stars in Europe and stars in the USA, there are many other good european players however i'm not about to go through and make a list, btw I hope you know Mos that Canada is not overseas and we're talking about Europe, not Asia.
I'm not talking about guys who came from all over the world. I'm talking about how overrated the European league players are.Guys like Sarunas Jasikevicius of the Pacers and Arvydas Macijauskas of the Hornets are two of the most recent Euro players to try to make it in the NBA, and they coulndt. Dont get me wrong, im not hating on all Euro players. Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavs have been one of my favorite teams for a long time, and for a while they practically only had international players. I'm just saying that the guys who are known as "the best players in Europe" usually have little or no success in the NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheOkie @ Aug 3 2006, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not talking about guys who came from all over the world. I'm talking about how overrated the European league players are.</div>I was talking to Mos at the end of that post, but what makes you think that American players are better? Because there are more stars in the NBA who are American, in a league that there are many more American players than other nationality players? In America players have a much easier time getting into the league than Europeans do, with the publicity of the future superstars (Greg Oden is a perfect example), Scouts, and the League's eyes on the NCAA. Sure there are going to be some busts, but it's not like there aren't busts in the USA.
yeah I know but you could say that Nash is overseas as he is originally from South Africa, dont ask me I dunno how...anyways I was just saying on a larger scale that the rest of the world is catching up to America in producing NBA talent. I seriously dont see the league being American dominant in a couple of years as it is now.
