Golly, you're so wise. Please elucidate the rest of we knuckle-draggers with your deep knowledge of international relations and diplomacy.
Well, for starters, when people on the right actually fucking admit that he was responsible for a LOT of shit, then maybe people on the left won't keep politely reminding them. If you start blaming Obama for something your guy did (and don't act like "I didn't vote for him! I'm not a republican" horse shit), don't be fucking surprised when people point out your HUGE flaming hypocrisy. on top of that, for YEARS righties were blaming Clinton for shit, so to act as though all the sudden it's not acceptable to blame a past president for shit is pretty oblivious to facts and history. Also, when you say ignorant and knee jerk reactionary stuff, and 90% of the time you say shit just to rile up people (because i refuse to believe that anyone can be so dense on subjects), you get the response you want and then you giggle like a school girl. Denny and i don't agree on a lot of politics. Same with Maxie, but they at least back up their shit instead of just saying shit and when called on it act like you never said anything. Ignore it and it'll go away. I'm done with even acknowledging you post here, because I have something better to do than converse with people like you. Have fun playing the victim, and talking to yourself G.
You have to look at the two incidents separately. The only fact linking the two is the reaction to the movie. In Egypt, thousands of people - PROTESTORS - stormed the embassy. The elected leadership of the country may be Muslim, but they've been friendly toward us. The thousands of people organized via facebook and that sort of thing. The damage they did was what? Some spray paint and replacing our flag with their own? Nuke 'em till they glow! /sarcasm The embassy Libya was rocket attacked by a militant terrorist group. Sure, go after those guys, but you have to recognize those terrorists aren't "the people" of the country.
Uh, no. I don't miss the point of having embassies. There's nobody in their govt. to deal with, since their govt. is barely established and obviously can't provide protection for its people or ours. And there's no point in providing services for americans travelling there since americans shouldn't travel there. BTW, I hear the American University in Beirut is looking for a professor of English. You'd be perfect for that job.
You are making some very dangerous assumptions: 1) That other governments all have the same motivations we do, that they just want peace and to be left alone within their borders. 2) The assumption is that one can retreat within our borders and the economic trading system which we protect will remain the same. 3) No one else will fill the void. I think all three assumptions are not only dangerous , but also naive.
Didn't happen, though. But don't let a mere fact stop you. As Chris said, it's so easy to be a 101st fighting keyboardist condemning what people under siege didn't even actually say. Nothing like an armchair warrior. I saw your boy Romney with a big smirk.
PapaG and Romney both served in the same branch of our military, and I'm sure still carry the scars of those dark days.
I don't think other governments have the same motivations we do. The one thing they have in common is their conservative nature - they want to protect the status quo. This is true of nations ruled by tyrants as well as social democracies. The economic system must work if nations want to deal with us. If, due to cultural differences, some other nation demands your first born son in exchange for a barrel of oil, do you: 1) refuse to deal, 2) bomb the shit of them and take the oil, 3) get the oil from somewhere else, and so on. And who cares who fills the void? Filling the void has been nothing but an expensive and futile hassle for us.
It amuses me that people think the US government could have somehow prevented the "Arab Spring". Change what you can, accept what you can't, and learn to tell the freaking difference!
We could have, but the cost would have been ridiculous. Boots on the ground, a massive draft, and so on.
And here's the irony: if we succeeded, we would have been saving a Libyan government that prior admins labeled a terrorist state and took military action against. Oh yeah....I'm sure people would have praised Obama for that!
I don't know what the objective would have been, beyond "stopping the arab spring." I don't think Obama had any such objective in mind.
