So Much for the First Amendment

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  1. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    Repped.

    And at election time I'll rep Obama for it.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Thing is, Obama (and his cronies) could have been eliminated under, say, even Jimmy Carter. Obama simply said, "Do it."

    Right?
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    The 22 of 30 al Qaeda leaders stat is impressive but look at Gitmo and all the guys captured during the Bush years, let alone all the leadership killed during those years as well. And it points out that the Nobel Peace Prize winner is a warmongering president like most of them have been.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    "Now, I use "sheeple" because I view most of them as "sheeple", and lacking any critical thought that falls outside of the Democratic Party platform."

    That's what I said ... and the part you leave out -- the part about how it's only sheepish because it's counter to your view which (by definition) must be original. I got news for you, The Original Taco House was shit.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    What rights have you lost? I sure haven't noticed anything any different.
     
  8. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Watch what you post here. I think Obama's secretly reading the board.
     
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    3RA1N1AC 00110110 00111001

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    “First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me—
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”
    ― Martin Niemöller
     
  10. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    So criminals can have aliases but Mixum can't? I might be remembering wrong but weren't you the one who posted Mixum's name on here?

    The guy was convicted of using multiple aliases to commit crimes, it's been reported that while on probation that he is again using multiple aliases. But it's alright because as far as anyone knows he was only using multiple aliases to possibly make a movie? But according to the opinion column that you posted it was wrong for law enforcement to question him because they wore their uniforms? Or because the picked him up to question him late at night? If law enforcement gets a credible report that someone is violating their probation or parole you bet that person should be investigated. And I don't really care what color of uniforms the police are wearing or what time they show up at the guy's door.

    I'm just not seeing the problem here. Again, if he weren't a criminal I would have a problem with this. If he were off of probation I would have a problem with this. But he's not. His rights have not been violated because he voluntarily gave up those rights. He actually testified against others to limit the length and severity of punishment he received for his crimes. He was an active participant in the punishment he received so he has a clear understanding of what he could and could not do on probation. No computers, no internet, no aliases, no exceptions. Seems pretty simple to follow to me.
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    Fine, the guy is on probation, etc.

    The authorities can question him all they want.

    It's the publishing the guy's name before they've given him his due process that's the problem.

    The guy really should sue. I bet he'd win $millions.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Aren't people's names published all the time as a suspect in a crime before they are given their due process?
     
  13. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I think it depends on the crime. The Atlanta Olympics bomber guy was named, even though he wasn't the guy.

    I'm not sure they do the names of rapists (legitimate or not).
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Wow, I never pictured Jimmy Carter taking out Barack. Why do you think he would have done that?

    barfo
     
  15. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Using an alias to present yourself is quite different than using an alias to have web anonymity. I can see why the first may be a violation, where the second is simply protecting yourself.
     
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    You may not have noticed because you don't exercise all of your rights routinely, many of us take most of them for granted until they apply to our personal situation, but the so called Patriot Act erased about 1/2 of the Bill of Rights:

    RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS WE HAVE NEEDLESSLY
    LOST IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY


    Through the enactment of the USA PATRIOT Act and subsequent
    executive directives and regulations, essential rights and freedoms
    that were once guaranteed to all individuals have been substantially
    degraded. Many Americans still do not realize the significance of
    what we have lost. The resulting expansion of government powers,
    and the erosion of 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and 14th Amendment
    rights and freedoms have transformed the United States.

    1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF SPEECH
    • The Patriot Act broadly expands the official definition of
    terrorism, so that many domestic groups that engage in
    nonviolent civil disobedience could very well find themselves
    labeled as terrorists.
    • The Government may now prosecute librarians or keepers
    of any other records if they reveal that the government
    requested information on their clients or members in the
    course of an investigation. It has become a crime for these
    individuals to try to safeguard your privacy or to tell you
    that you are under investigation.

    1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION
    • Government agents may now monitor the First Amendmentprotected
    activities of religious and political institutions, and
    then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal
    activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding
    religious and political groups.
    • You may now be the subject of a government investigation
    simply because of the political, activist, or advocacy
    groups you are involved in, or the statements you make
    within these groups.

    1st AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ACCESS
    GOVERNMENT INFORMATION

    • A U.S. Department of Justice directive actively encourages
    federal, state, and local officials to resist and/or limit access
    to government records through Freedom of Information Act
    (FOIA) requests.
    • The Government has conducted immigration hearings in
    secret behind closed doors. Such proceedings were once
    open to the public. Hundreds, if not thousands, of immigrants
    have already been deported in secret.

    4th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE
    SEARCHES &SEIZURES

    • Law Enforcement authorities may now conduct secret searches and wiretaps in your home or office
    without showing “probable cause.” They need only to claim that intelligence gathering is “a significant
    purpose” of their intrusion, even when the primary goal is ordinary law enforcement. They may also
    monitor where and to whom you send and receive e-mail, or where you go on the Internet, recording
    every e-mail address and website you have been in contact with.
    • Law Enforcement may now demand any personal records held by any source including your doctor,
    employer, accountant, or library. All they have to do is claim that it is related to an investigation into
    “terrorism.” The record keepers may not reveal that your records were provided to the government.
    • Judicial oversight of secret searches has been effectively minimized. The Patriot Act directs judges to
    consent to secret searches based only on the Government’s assertion that a “significant” purpose of
    an investigation is gathering information related to “terrorism,” as the government defines it.

    5th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS & FREEDOM FROM BEING
    HELD WITHOUT CHARGE

    • Americans can now be jailed without a formal charge & without the right to confront the witnesses or
    evidence against them. American citizens are now being held in military jails without charge and without
    a clear path of appeal for their indefinite confinement.
    • Hundreds of Arab, Muslim and South Asian men were rounded up in the Ashcroft raids following
    September 11, and held for weeks without charges until all were cleared of terrorism charges

    6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION
    • Hundreds of U.S. residents have been detained for months at a time, and denied access to the advice
    and advocacy of an attorney. The Government may now monitor conversations between attorneys &
    clients in federal jails.
    • The Bush Administration filed papers in court that arguing that an American citizen held in a military
    jail without charge should be denied access to legal counsel because such access would interfere with
    the process of his interrogation.

    6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL
    • The U.S. Government may now jail its residents and citizens indefinitely without charge & without a public trial.

    8th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS
    • The U.S. Government has taken into custody individuals they identify as “material witnesses,” transported
    them across the country, and held them for months in solitary confinement without charge or
    contact with their family.
    • According to the Justice Department’s own Inspector General, immigrant men rounded up in the
    Ashcroft raids following September 11 and held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, NY
    were subjected to a pattern of “physical and verbal abuse.”

    14th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO EQUAL PROTECTION
    • Over 82,000 men from Arab, Muslim and South Asian countries registered with the Government
    under the Special Registration program. Over 13,000 are now in deportation proceedings. None
    have been charged with terrorism.


    http://www.nyclu.org/pdfs/eroding_liberty.pdf
     
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    Hundreds?

    Wow, that's downright amazing.

    FDR rounded up hundreds of thousands of Japanese-Americans and put them in prison camps for years.

    He's your guy.
     
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    FDR? :biglaugh:

    How fucking old do you think I am?
     
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    Old enough to have a shrine to him.
     
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    If your guy is in office, it's not too much power.

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