New Rule in Flopping!

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  1. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    NBA ANNOUNCES NEW ANTI-FLOPPING RULE

    NEW YORK, Oct. 3, 2012 — The NBA will adopt an anti-flopping rule beginning with the 2012-13 season, Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations Stu Jackson announced today.

    “Flops have no place in our game – they either fool referees into calling undeserved fouls or fool fans into thinking the referees missed a foul call," Jackson said. "Accordingly, both the Board of Governors and the Competition Committee felt strongly that any player who the league determines, following video review, to have committed a flop should – after a warning – be given an automatic penalty.”

    “Flopping” will be defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player. The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

    Physical acts that constitute legitimate basketball plays (such as moving to a spot in order to draw an offensive foul) and minor physical reactions to contact will not be treated as flops.

    Any player who is determined to have committed a flop during the regular season will be subject to the following:

    Violation 1: Warning
    Violation 2: $5,000 fine
    Violation 3: $10,000 fine
    Violation 4: $15,000 fine
    Violation 5: $30,000 fine

    If a player violates the anti-flopping rule six times or more, he will be subject to discipline that is reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension.

    The league will announce at a later date a separate set of penalties for flopping that will apply during the playoffs.
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  2. Mediocre Man

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    Not nearly harsh enough. 30k for these guys is nothing
     
  3. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Somebody with the power please change that to ON flopping. Thanks!
     
  4. santeesioux

    santeesioux Just keep on scrolling by

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    At least the Clippers will lose some pocket change.
     
  5. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    It's such hard call to make sometimes. Some guys play balls out and are flying all over the place. Sure this will get crazy!
     
  6. Mediocre Man

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    I have no problem with the refs missing a call. My issue is the leagues decision to only slap the players on the wrist for it. Somehow it has to hurt the team. It should be an automatic suspension for the next game after the video review
     
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    How many violations can a player be assessed per game? I can't imagine how expensive it'd be to be a member of the Clippers now.
     
  8. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Ginobli and Verajao will OWE money by the end of the season!
     
  9. 3RA1N1AC

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    did you read the release? you are in here twice lamenting this as a slap on the wrist, it says after 5 violations it goes to harsher penalties and or suspensions, some players flop 5 times a game at least...i mean we will see how it is implemented, but this seems like a good start
     
  10. cdub503

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    So is this determined after the game? Also what if they flop 6 times in one game? Haha
     
  11. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Maybe they are figuring it's not just about the money.

    Some guys will get pretty ashamed to have a rolling dollar figure attached to their cheesy play. Maybe not role players, but the guys making the major endorsements probably don't like the idea of a stat associated with them documenting their unsportsmanly behavior. It sullies the brand a little, which when you are talking about NBA egos is relevant.

    Also, it'll be interesting to see what happens if somebody reaches Violation #6. Will they actually suspend them? Will that guy go unpaid?

    Does any of this make them less likely to flop in a big game with playoff consequences? Nope.

    Does it make them less less likely to habitually do it in a ho-hum typical game of an 82 game season? Maybe. I think so.

    I'd like them to go at it more strictly, but this is at least some progress.
     
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    by the playoffs, floppers will be at their limit, they flop and its a suspension hopefully
     
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    Good point!
     
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    This is stupid and will not stop the floppers at all. The REFS need to be held accountable. Plain and simple.
     
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    oh good, just like all NBA officiating, this rule is also in favor of the star players. 30 grand is nothing to a guy making 15 million a year. It should be based on % of salary. The minimum salary is 400,000, so that guy loses 7.5% of his salary while some one like LeBron only loses 0.2% of his salary. The superstars can still flop, they just have to turn over a couple grand after they are done wiping their ass with it.
     
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    Are they going to apply this to offensive floppers too?? This is complete bullshit. The NBA needs to crack down on their officials.
    You can't even say:

    "The officials didn't do that good of a job tonight"

    BAM! 10K fine...

    SMH...
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    QFT
     
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    Stands and claps. Spoken like a referee concerned about the game he loves.

    It is completely the ref's fault why flops are happening. And I don't think they are being fooled into calling them. NBA refs simply don't do a good job of getting an "open look"(ref term) at the play. If you aren't a referee, you may not even know what an open look is. Again, I ref 100+ games a season as well as pour over hours of tape in the offseason. We talk about flopping all the time.

    Notice that flopping is NOT a problem in College ball. That's because the officiating is 10x better at the NCAA level than it is in the NBA.

    Case in point (about not getting an open look) :I know this is FIBA but it illustrates my point completely.
    This clip below is used in FIBA referee training. Pause the tape at the :22 mark.

    [video=youtube;a-Wh4um2NnE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Wh4um2NnE[/video]

    Look at the Lead Official (the one on the baseline). How in the HELL can he call a charge on this FLOP if all he can see
    is asses and elbows? He is what's known as "Straight Lined". Meaning he does not have an "Open Look".
    An "Open Look" is when you position yourself so you can see BETWEEN the defender and the ballhandler.
    The Lead needs to "Pinch The Paint" on this play (stand right where the paint begins about 3 feet from the baseline).
    But what does he do? He is WAY late getting there, the defender flops like a fucking fish and he REWARDS him because
    of his HORRIBLE positioning...

    This is a terrible call. Remember you have to have affirmative answers to 2 questions on a Block/Charge call.

    1. Is the defender in a legal guarding position? Yes. The defender is a legal defender (feet on the floor facing the dribbler).

    2. Did the offensive player go TO and THROUGH the defender? Hell NO. Manu Ginobili barely touched that soft ass flopper.

    It is a flop plain and simple. Now here's the kicker (NBA refs do this all the time). When you pause the tape, which official has the best look?

    The C (center official) does (even though he has a competitive match-up in the post) and it is HIS call.
    But since the Lead was WAY late getting over, he is "Straight Lined" (asses and elbows) and has a TERRIBLE look at the play.
     
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    So, basically the new rule on flopping is that flopping is OK as long as you don't get caught too many times.
     
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    Pretty much.. But if your Chris Paul and make over 16+ Mil per season, you can flop as much as you want.
     

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