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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Refute what?

    Being called a liar means Obama's trying to attack, but they're out of surprises (like the 47% video). The "liar" thing is petty, weak, and is likely to hurt more than help.

    The VP debate will be interesting - it's Ryan, who's an economics guru against Biden who's been a specialist in foreign relations (in the senate) as well as a gaffe machine. The gift that keeps giving.
     
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    Not for me. But that is because I have become jaded and think all politicians make promises and will repeat those promises to get elected. Sometimes they can't follow thru on their pormises and sometimes they probably don't even try. But taht is all part of politics.

    Flat out lying about something is worse in my mind . . . but I am just one vote that will mean nothing in Oregon.
     
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    As long as Romney keeps talking, he'll keep lying. That's his nature, and you underestimate the American people if you think they want to vote for someone who lies to them.

    As far as Ryan being a supposed economics "guru", you are very easily impressed. He's nothing of the sort.
     
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    The president now leads, 50% to 45%, among registered voters in the seven-day rolling average for Oct. 1-7, according to Gallup.
     
  5. Denny Crane

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    He's a businessman. You confuse him for a lawyer, or a realtor.
     
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    Interesting comment. Did you mean Romney, or Ryan? Romney was a businessman years ago, Ryan never was.

    Either way, being a businessman doesn't mean you aren't a liar, nor does it mean you are an economics guru.

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  7. Denny Crane

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    Writing a budget for the US govt. makes you an economics guru. That's what Ryan has done.

    I suppose businessmen can be liars, but it's not the same as for lawyers and realtors (who lie whenever their lips are moving).
     
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    Barfo beat me to it. Romney might have been a business man, but his tax records say he is either a bad business man today or mainly just an investor these days. It must be nice to make a living off having your money make more money . . . someday maybe I . . . OK may be not.
     
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    Ha ha ha. That's pretty absurd. Honestly, our own maxiep is far more qualified as an 'economics guru' than Paul Ryan.

    Writing a budget (especially one that is just fantasy and has no chance of being enacted) is hardly the stuff of gurus. You could do it if you felt like it.

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    If I spent the time to budget for every department of the federal government, I'd be an economics guru, too. There aren't many in congress who will write a budget. Heck, there's nobody in the Senate who's written one in 3 years.

    Maxiep doesn't strike me as the sort who creates budgets and financial documentation. He seems to be the sort who knows how to read them, though.

    The current president and his staff have made the govt.'s books look like Solyndra's. Maybe Romney will make the govt.'s books look like Staples.
     
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    Ryan no more wrote a budget for the US Govt than Gore invented the internet.

    Maybe some day you'll relate to us what Realtor crushed your ego so bad to leave you butthurt about all Realtors for eternity. Did she mock your manhood or something?
     
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    Yes he did write a budget.

    http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperity2013.pdf

    The summary tables are at the end of the document.

    The bill as passed by the House:

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-112hrpt421/pdf/CRPT-112hrpt421.pdf

    Looks to me like it has 50 pages of detailed spreadsheet type presentation and another 100+ pages of text describing the allocation for each department.

    If you can casually say Romney keeps talking and isn't saying the truth, I can casually say that based upon the tiny fraction of the time you're right in these discussions, realtors are liars.

    Good for the goose, good for the gander.
     
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    Sure. If he says one person, who he's had a chance to observe, is a liar, then it's fine for you to say thousands of people, most of whom you've never met, are liars. Makes sense.

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    Let me introduce you to a group of people known as "staffers".

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    When Obama lies, it's not lies. Makes sense.
     
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    Name the staffers who wrote his budget.

    As near as I can tell, he is tight with several people who are savvy on dealing with government sized budgets.

    You do know that Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana wrote a number of federal budgets, right?
     
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    Well, you stumped me there. I don't know the names of Paul Ryan's staffers. That must mean he wrote the whole thing himself.

    Wow. I'm tight with some airline pilots, but that doesn't mean I can land a 747.

    How fabulously exciting for him.

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    Romney-proudly-explains-how-hes-turned-campaign-around

     
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    I'll throw out a strawman you seem to be getting at. Ryan didn't write the budget at all? Had nothing to do with it? Had staffers do it while he smoked dope in the parking lot?

    Do tell.
     
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