The optimism (this season) about the Blazers is ludicrous

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  1. RR7

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    Minnesota with Love 2 years ago?
     
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    Kevin Durant's 2nd year in the league?
     
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    C'mon HCP, he's a total rookie. It's spelled m-o-r-o-n.
     
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    That's an oddly fitting half glass empty way of looking at the life of a Blazers fan. Shouldn't we be taking the downs along with the ups?
     
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    Was Durant as good in his second year as LMA is now?
     
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    Mods please edit. The thread should read...
    The threads (this season) about the Blazers are ludicrous
     
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    25 and 6, and arguably #2 SF in the league. I'd say as good if not better.
     
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    The advanced stats are close, but clearly in Aldridge's favor. [comparison link]

    Aldridge last year vs. Durant in his second year--Aldridge's PER, eFG%, RB%, TO%, Ortg, Drtg, and WS/48 were all better than Durant's.
     
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    Weird, the original poster made a very inflammatory post, and didn't respond or post again...
     
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    To be fair, Brand missed 20 games due to injury that year, Maggette 18, Odom 33, Richardson 23, Olowokandi 46--that Clippers team may have been more snakebitten by injuries than any Blazer team.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    He asked. And I do think Brand was a top 15 player.
     
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    Last year Kobe, Nash and Howard were on different teams, meaning there were 3 different teams that were a tough out for a rebuilding team like Portland. Before that Bosh, Wade and LeBron were also on different teams. That's 6 teams that were once much more competitive consolidated down to 2. (7 if you recognize that in any just world Pau Gasol would not be a Laker.)

    Because of the consolidation of talent into superteams, I just don't feel like the NBA is as competitive overall as it once was. Sure, we'll get spanked by Miami, Lakers and Thunder, but so will everyone else.

    I tend to be on the optimistic side of the fanbase, thinking we can squeak in to the playoffs if things roll the right way. But part of my thinking is that there are just a lot more mediocre teams in the league than there use to be, so a mediocre team like ours has a better chance.
     
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    Note that I didn't dispute that about Brand.

    Taking the discussion all the way back to its nascent stages, BlazerBoy was initially asking about Carlito's claim that this is a 25-win roster as is, which is what prompted the question about when a team with a top-15 player finished in the bottom 5. Yes, the answer is technically correct, but an injury-riddled example like the '03 Clippers isn't really relevant to the initial claim and question, which is why I brought up that point. Had that roster not been beset by injuries, they would probably have been closer to a .500 squad--similar to what can be said about this year's Blazers, IMO.
     
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    My take is the Blazers have a nice starting 5 if Lillard is truly NBA ready at PG. PG is a position where guys who are excellent take a few years to get to that level. If he doesn't, the offensive chemistry could be shaky at best.

    It's the bench that's going to make it tough to win over the long haul, IMO.

    If the team is healthy and the starters log a lot of minutes, I can see a near .500 team.

    If one of the starters misses 20 games, I think it's going to be a long tough season.
     
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    I think this a tad overly optomistic. Of the current projected starting 5, only LA is remotely above average as a player. I think if we stay healthy we win no more than 32 games.
     
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  17. Denny Crane

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    I disagree. Batum and Hickson are both above average as players, and Matthews is actually very good compared to other SGs around the league.

    If Lillard gets you at least 15/6 and can stay in games for starters' minutes, the starting lineup would be solid.

    As I said, it's the bench that looks thin. You want a guy on the bench who can step in for an extended period and not be a significant drop off in talent.

    If you have to play Nolan Smith 20 games at PG, or start Babbitt or Jeffries, yikes!
     
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    Now I'm laughing!

    I bet Minnesota Viking Chris Kluwe, my current avi, (don't you recognize him? Of course, you're probably used to seeing him in cleats and helmet) would be surprised to learn he's gay. He is arguably the LGBT community's favorite NFL player but he's not gay.

    Neither is Chris Dudley, whose photo in swimsuit graced my avi list.
    Or the Dutch Olympic speed skater, wearing skates. Just skates. He's also straight.
    Santiago Holmes is straight.
    So is the Estonian married male ballet dancer Tiit Helimets, who graced my avi in scanty Apollo costume. And aggressively straight ballet dancer Ethan Stiefel, posed on his motorcycle.

    For that matter, my niece's Bat Mitzvah cake was way too girly to be gay.

    Ah, assumptions....

    And games are decided on the field/court. Not in message boards, not in the offices of sports pundits. While it may be a safe guess that the Heat will be good and the Kings bad, overall, sports predictions are very often wrong. With a team like the Blazers it's hard to predict, they good be good, struggling or mediocre - I honestly don't think they'll be dreadful, though.

    Go A's. And Go Blazers.
     
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    Really Denny? I guess I should have qualified the question with "superstar that actually played".
     
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