Zombie THE 2012 BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE - THE BATTLE OF CHAPLIN HILLS II

Flip-flopper!

 

Myself, I think it's a pretty significant point that he used simply to illustrate that we have a lot more time to convince Iran than Israel is saying. Next spring isn't the end of the world, not from an Iranian nuke anyway. The embargoes are crippling Iran and we don't need to freak out and start another war right now.

I like having cooler heads running the country. It's refreshing.

 

I also think if we do attack Iran, we'll here about it afterwards, not before. Maybe it's already in motion. Obama does not telegraph things to the enemy, as Ryan implied. The Bin Laden hit is an example.

 

My read is that Biden was going for the base and ignoring the idea of swaying independents. My guess is they've seen Romney is willing them by a wide margin. Hence, the strategy is to make it a base election. Therefore, he needed to fire up the Democrats, which I think he did.

On the flip side, this debate was Ryan's only opportunity to show he was ready for the job. He was calm, focused and serious. I thought he was a bit meek--I would have looked directly at Biden when I was was speaking--but he accomplished his goal.

My guess is that it was roughly a draw, which is probably good news for Romney.

 

FIFY.

 

It should be noted that the CNN poll were it had Ryan at 48% and Biden at 44% was of 381 people who watched the debate at a +/- of 5%
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/3262

 

do you think any regular here thinks you're anything but a Repub ? I mostly browse the OT section, but I've read nothing but across the board pro-R from you... it's no news flash that you see things that way once again

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I think Biden won the debate as handily as Romney won the debate and they used the same type of method. Talking over the moderator and their opponent.

 

He's not the only Repub on this site thats a wolf in sheep's clothing. Too many far righties hide behind the label, "Independent".

 

Biden's laughing turned off a lot of people. I get that the idea was to be dismissive of Ryan, but when Ryan is talking about people dying in Libya, and Biden is laughing on a split screen, it comes across as detached.

I don't think this debate changes anybody's opinion, other than Ryan came across as perhaps a bit too passive, and Biden came across as a bit of a bully who even pointed his finger at the moderator a few times.

Maxiep has it right, I think. Biden was loud, rude, a bit aloof, and arrogant, and that works to fire up his base. Ryan seemed a bit too unemotional and wonkish.

The big lie in this debate, though, was Biden saying nobody in the State Department claimed it was terrorism. That directly belies yesterday's testimony in the House by senior State staffers. Romney needs to corner Obama on this obvious lie in the foreign policy debate.

 

I'm a "rightie" in the sense that I want as limited - and prudent - government as possible, lower taxation, a reasonably strong military, and the notion that most people can think for themselves, are hard working individuals who don't need/want government thinking for them nor taking arbitrary liberties with their hard-earned cash. I believe that the best way to attack the deficit is through a strong economy.

 

Never check out these threads...... probably because I don't follow politics whatsoever. Kind of ashamed of this, but I don't. Have never watched a debate in my life. I also am not one of those people on facebook or here that bitches about everything either. Is following politics a hobby for you guys? I know it is important to be informed, but do you really think staying up on all the latest is that important?

 

CNN Poll: Paul Ryan Won the Debate!

10/11/12

Final CNN debate speaking time: Biden 41:32, Ryan 40:12. Closer than the presidential debate.

Gloria Berger of CNN says she could have done without Biden's giggles. Many other reporters blasted off on Biden's style.

Scientific Poll - 351 registered voters who watched debate

•Who won: Paul Ryan 48%, Joe Biden 44%
•Registered voters: 55% say Biden did better than expected.
•Registered voters: 51% say Ryan did better than expected.
•Is Biden qualified to be President: Yes 57%
•Is Ryan qualified to be President: Yes 60%
•More time attacking: Biden 70%, Ryan 19% <-- LOL
•Likeable: Ryan 53%, Biden 43%

 

Generally speaking, I tend to start getting "truly" interested when the debates begin. The campaigning (mud-slinging) is a bore. The media continues to be biased, one way or another. However, a well moderated debate can be informative and get to the core of the matters. Plus, they're entertaining to me.

 

Biden's teeth were hilarious tonight.

 

I only wish the R's walked their talking points but unfortunately their actions over the past couple decades haven't come anywhere close. Judging by actions, they're for growing government, starting wars & bartering power... being eager to spit on science and basic math makes them especially loathsome. They're even more willing corporate whores then the D's

It's a joke that they still call themselves Conservatives as they're anything but

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But even if you watch these debates, they say they are going to do this and that........ do they ever really follow thru?

 

ILLUMINATI

 

you talking to me (twitch twitch Travis Bickle style )

I'm not sure what to advise in the short term other then hoping others work to reform our process. As it stands right now politicians pander to our wants as voters preening and saying whatever we want to hear and then (once elected) do what they need to gather necessary $ for another campaign by pandering to those interests with it. Basically without a real change in the process, the interests of the voters is only going to be given lip service

we need to root out the $ from the process. Citizens United is a big step in the wrong direction in representation of the people. I'd love to see us take that back and then some... I'm definitely on board with some sort of public financing of elections as this current money train has us full throttle ahead towards a complete disaster

Romney seems like the worst option as he has zero spine on anything, but I'll probably vote for Gary Johnson this cycle to throw a 3rd party guy some support. I'm far from on board with him, but what we need is real choice without the BS

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